As one of the few, if not the only, person who has been a full time employee of a philosophy department for multiple years, I am quick to defend my former colleagues. Read "Actual Causation and Thought Experiments" by Glymour and Wimberly in J. K. Campbell, M. O'Rourke & H. S. Silverstein (eds.), Causation and Explanation. MIT Press
You don't have to read thousands, or even hundreds, of pages to be able to grok that paper. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Sun, Jun 4, 2023, 7:30 PM David Eric Smith <desm...@santafe.edu> wrote: > So there’s a rather concrete way in which one can imagine ChatGPT’s being > particularly useful as a time-saver. > > I have heard it said (and find it persuasive), that philosophy is > different from physics because what philosophers want to do and settle for > being is different from that for physicists. > > A physicist can pick up F = ma and start from there to get something done. > > Each philosopher is, in a sense, a new beginning of the universe, and you > are expected to read thousands of pages of his composition to be permitted > to engage with him. That is a good barrier to exclude pretty-much-everbody > from most conversations. > > But there are specific topics on which engaging with this group is a game > of whack-a-mole, and it would be _so_ satisfying to catch that damned mole > far enough out of the hole to pin him down to the board for once. > > It is on this point: > > Summarizing what, as Marcus rightly says, as been repeated 10^n times > before, CGTP quotes: > > At the core of radical empiricism is the concept of "pure experience." > According to James, pure experience refers to the immediate, unmediated > apprehension of reality, devoid of any conceptual or interpretative > filters. It involves experiencing the world as it is, without imposing > preconceived notions or theories onto the experience. > What the HELL does anyone think this is supposed to refer to? I am not > asking whether it actually does refer to anything, but rather what anyone > believes he is saying by it. > > And I can ask that in a rather concrete way. Were James to engage with > Husserl, would he claim that the access to the “immediate apprehension” is > by way of the same portal as Husserl’s epoche? > > I ask because they set themselves up to make a particular style of > assertion. > > By analogy, we have seen that human bodies can do things like Amanars and > any of the 4 Bileses (which should have been 5, and would have been were it > not for COVID). But that doesn’t mean every human body can do any of > them. There is rather a lot of specific training that goes into becoming > one of the bodies that can do any of this. > > The various “internal” experience-focused philosophers present these > things as doable, but technical and particular and requiring training. > > But if you then ask what that is about, you get either a demand to follow > several thousand pages in each person’s formulation, or the kind of cloudy > motivational life-coach speech that almost all of the CGPT summary is > composed of. (Reminds me of something I once heard said of chimp speech: > if you aren’t there working with them, you cannot anticipate how > mind-numbingly repetitive it is). > > So rather than asking “what it is” (the skill or whatever), I can ask “If > they were arguing with each other, would they even assert to each other, > each with his supposed privileged appreciation of the mysteries, assert or > deny that they are referring to the same thing. > > This might allow us to not have to approach the full body of philosophical > literature as if each corpus were Sui generis. > > Eric > > > > > > On Jun 5, 2023, at 2:43 AM, Jochen Fromm <j...@cas-group.net> wrote: > > ChatGPT now allows sharing conversations. 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