Very good Frank. Smacked for making generalizations. As it should be.
Eric > On Jun 5, 2023, at 10:48 AM, Frank Wimberly <wimber...@gmail.com> wrote: > > As one of the few, if not the only, person who has been a full time employee > of a philosophy department for multiple years, I am quick to defend my former > colleagues. Read "Actual Causation and Thought Experiments" by Glymour and > Wimberly in J. K. Campbell, M. O'Rourke & H. S. Silverstein (eds.), Causation > and Explanation. MIT Press > > You don't have to read thousands, or even hundreds, of pages to be able to > grok that paper. > > --- > Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > > 505 670-9918 > Santa Fe, NM > > On Sun, Jun 4, 2023, 7:30 PM David Eric Smith <desm...@santafe.edu > <mailto:desm...@santafe.edu>> wrote: >> So there’s a rather concrete way in which one can imagine ChatGPT’s being >> particularly useful as a time-saver. >> >> I have heard it said (and find it persuasive), that philosophy is different >> from physics because what philosophers want to do and settle for being is >> different from that for physicists. >> >> A physicist can pick up F = ma and start from there to get something done. >> >> Each philosopher is, in a sense, a new beginning of the universe, and you >> are expected to read thousands of pages of his composition to be permitted >> to engage with him. That is a good barrier to exclude pretty-much-everbody >> from most conversations. >> >> But there are specific topics on which engaging with this group is a game of >> whack-a-mole, and it would be _so_ satisfying to catch that damned mole far >> enough out of the hole to pin him down to the board for once. >> >> It is on this point: >> >> Summarizing what, as Marcus rightly says, as been repeated 10^n times >> before, CGTP quotes: >> At the core of radical empiricism is the concept of "pure experience." >> According to James, pure experience refers to the immediate, unmediated >> apprehension of reality, devoid of any conceptual or interpretative filters. >> It involves experiencing the world as it is, without imposing preconceived >> notions or theories onto the experience. >> >> What the HELL does anyone think this is supposed to refer to? I am not >> asking whether it actually does refer to anything, but rather what anyone >> believes he is saying by it. >> >> And I can ask that in a rather concrete way. Were James to engage with >> Husserl, would he claim that the access to the “immediate apprehension” is >> by way of the same portal as Husserl’s epoche? >> >> I ask because they set themselves up to make a particular style of >> assertion. >> >> By analogy, we have seen that human bodies can do things like Amanars and >> any of the 4 Bileses (which should have been 5, and would have been were it >> not for COVID). But that doesn’t mean every human body can do any of them. >> There is rather a lot of specific training that goes into becoming one of >> the bodies that can do any of this. >> >> The various “internal” experience-focused philosophers present these things >> as doable, but technical and particular and requiring training. >> >> But if you then ask what that is about, you get either a demand to follow >> several thousand pages in each person’s formulation, or the kind of cloudy >> motivational life-coach speech that almost all of the CGPT summary is >> composed of. (Reminds me of something I once heard said of chimp speech: if >> you aren’t there working with them, you cannot anticipate how mind-numbingly >> repetitive it is). >> >> So rather than asking “what it is” (the skill or whatever), I can ask “If >> they were arguing with each other, would they even assert to each other, >> each with his supposed privileged appreciation of the mysteries, assert or >> deny that they are referring to the same thing. >> >> This might allow us to not have to approach the full body of philosophical >> literature as if each corpus were Sui generis. >> >> Eric >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Jun 5, 2023, at 2:43 AM, Jochen Fromm <j...@cas-group.net >>> <mailto:j...@cas-group.net>> wrote: >>> >>> ChatGPT now allows sharing conversations. 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