Why isn't Lorenz in there somewhere? Seems like an obvious candidate.

On 5/29/25 8:13 AM, steve smith wrote:

< The interesting question is where exactly does the deterministic system turn 
into something nondeterministic, and how?>

It doesn’t.  A deterministic system is a deterministic system.

who might have first made the distinction : "deterministic but not 
pre-stateable"?

George offered:

Year    Thinker         Conceptual Expression
1931    Kurt Gödel      Incompleteness: truths not derivable
1936    Alan Turing     Halting problem: uncomputable predictions
1970s   Heinz von Foerster      Second-order cybernetics: unknowability of 
future
1991    Robert Rosen    Closure to efficient causation; entailment limits
1993    Stuart Kauffman         Adjacent possible; unprestatable evolution
2005    Gregory Chaitin         Incompressible but defined numbers (e.g., Ω)

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