There will be a fate vs. the fate is knowable. Not sure why people bring that distinction up as interesting.
From: Friam <[email protected]> On Behalf Of steve smith Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2025 8:13 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The entropy of thought < The interesting question is where exactly does the deterministic system turn into something nondeterministic, and how?> It doesn’t. A deterministic system is a deterministic system. who might have first made the distinction : "deterministic but not pre-stateable"? George offered: Year Thinker Conceptual Expression 1931 Kurt Gödel Incompleteness: truths not derivable 1936 Alan Turing Halting problem: uncomputable predictions 1970s Heinz von Foerster Second-order cybernetics: unknowability of future 1991 Robert Rosen Closure to efficient causation; entailment limits 1993 Stuart Kauffman Adjacent possible; unprestatable evolution 2005 Gregory Chaitin Incompressible but defined numbers (e.g., Ω)
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