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505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Mon, Jun 9, 2025, 12:45 PM Pieter Steenekamp <[email protected]> wrote: > I'll let George answer: > > EPR refers to the *Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen paradox*, a 1935 thought > experiment by Einstein, Podolsky, and Rosen. It challenges the completeness > of quantum mechanics by showing that, under its rules, two particles can > become *entangled*—so that measuring one instantly affects the other, no > matter how far apart they are. > > Einstein called this "spooky action at a distance" and believed it implied > quantum mechanics was incomplete, suggesting the existence of hidden > variables that would restore locality and determinism. > > EPR is foundational to debates about quantum nonlocality and played a key > role in later developments like Bell's theorem and quantum information > theory. > > On Mon, 9 Jun 2025 at 20:29, Frank Wimberly <[email protected]> wrote: > >> What is "EPR"? What is the attraction to acronyms about? >> >> --- >> Frank C. Wimberly >> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, >> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/140+Calle+Ojo+Feliz,++Santa+Fe,+NM+87505?entry=gmail&source=g> >> Santa Fe, NM 87505 >> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/140+Calle+Ojo+Feliz,++Santa+Fe,+NM+87505?entry=gmail&source=g> >> >> 505 670-9918 >> Santa Fe, NM >> >> On Sun, Jun 8, 2025, 11:38 PM Pieter Steenekamp < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Seth Lloyd’s Turing test for free will ( >>> https://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/scientists/lloyd/Turing_Test.pdf) >>> is to consciousness what EPR was to quantum physics: a challenge to the >>> theory's completeness. EPR said quantum weirdness must hide something >>> deeper; Bell said “let's test that”—and nature replied, “nope, it’s weird >>> all the way down.” Nobel Prize, case closed. >>> >>> Lloyd asks: can we prove the mind is just machinery? His test says: >>> build a machine that behaves indistinguishably from a human and believes it >>> has free will. If you succeed—great. But failure proves nothing. >>> >>> Unlike Bell’s inequality, this test can only confirm, never deny. No >>> ghost-busting here. >>> >>> Until then? It’s speculation. The Standard Model explains almost >>> everything—except the quantum gremlins and how observation messes things >>> up. So maybe the mind still has an ace up its sleeve. Or a soul. Or a bug >>> in the code. >>> .- .-.. .-.. / ..-. --- --- - . .-. ... / .- .-. . / .-- .-. --- -. --. >>> / ... --- -- . / .- .-. . / ..- ... . ..-. ..- .-.. >>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>> Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom >>> https://bit.ly/virtualfriam >>> to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >>> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >>> archives: 5/2017 thru present >>> https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ >>> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >>> >> .- .-.. .-.. / ..-. --- --- - . .-. ... / .- .-. . / .-- .-. --- -. --. / >> ... --- -- . / .- .-. . / ..- ... . ..-. ..- .-.. >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom >> https://bit.ly/virtualfriam >> to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >> archives: 5/2017 thru present >> https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ >> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >> > .- .-.. .-.. / ..-. --- --- - . .-. ... / .- .-. . / .-- .-. --- -. --. / > ... --- -- . / .- .-. . / ..- ... . ..-. ..- .-.. > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >
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