And Eric. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505
505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Mon, Jun 9, 2025, 1:50 PM Frank Wimberly <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks, Pieter > > --- > Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > > 505 670-9918 > Santa Fe, NM > > On Mon, Jun 9, 2025, 12:45 PM Pieter Steenekamp < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> I'll let George answer: >> >> EPR refers to the *Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen paradox*, a 1935 thought >> experiment by Einstein, Podolsky, and Rosen. It challenges the completeness >> of quantum mechanics by showing that, under its rules, two particles can >> become *entangled*—so that measuring one instantly affects the other, no >> matter how far apart they are. >> >> Einstein called this "spooky action at a distance" and believed it >> implied quantum mechanics was incomplete, suggesting the existence of >> hidden variables that would restore locality and determinism. >> >> EPR is foundational to debates about quantum nonlocality and played a key >> role in later developments like Bell's theorem and quantum information >> theory. >> >> On Mon, 9 Jun 2025 at 20:29, Frank Wimberly <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> What is "EPR"? What is the attraction to acronyms about? >>> >>> --- >>> Frank C. Wimberly >>> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, >>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/140+Calle+Ojo+Feliz,++Santa+Fe,+NM+87505?entry=gmail&source=g> >>> Santa Fe, NM 87505 >>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/140+Calle+Ojo+Feliz,++Santa+Fe,+NM+87505?entry=gmail&source=g> >>> >>> 505 670-9918 >>> Santa Fe, NM >>> >>> On Sun, Jun 8, 2025, 11:38 PM Pieter Steenekamp < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Seth Lloyd’s Turing test for free will ( >>>> https://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/scientists/lloyd/Turing_Test.pdf) >>>> is to consciousness what EPR was to quantum physics: a challenge to the >>>> theory's completeness. EPR said quantum weirdness must hide something >>>> deeper; Bell said “let's test that”—and nature replied, “nope, it’s weird >>>> all the way down.” Nobel Prize, case closed. >>>> >>>> Lloyd asks: can we prove the mind is just machinery? His test says: >>>> build a machine that behaves indistinguishably from a human and believes it >>>> has free will. If you succeed—great. But failure proves nothing. >>>> >>>> Unlike Bell’s inequality, this test can only confirm, never deny. No >>>> ghost-busting here. >>>> >>>> Until then? It’s speculation. The Standard Model explains almost >>>> everything—except the quantum gremlins and how observation messes things >>>> up. So maybe the mind still has an ace up its sleeve. Or a soul. Or a bug >>>> in the code. >>>> .- .-.. .-.. / ..-. --- --- - . .-. ... / .- .-. . / .-- .-. --- -. --. >>>> / ... --- -- . / .- .-. . / ..- ... . ..-. ..- .-.. >>>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>>> Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom >>>> https://bit.ly/virtualfriam >>>> to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >>>> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >>>> archives: 5/2017 thru present >>>> https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ >>>> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >>>> >>> .- .-.. .-.. / ..-. --- --- - . .-. ... / .- .-. . / .-- .-. --- -. --. >>> / ... --- -- . / .- .-. . / ..- ... . ..-. ..- .-.. >>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>> Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom >>> https://bit.ly/virtualfriam >>> to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >>> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >>> archives: 5/2017 thru present >>> https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ >>> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >>> >> .- .-.. .-.. / ..-. --- --- - . .-. ... / .- .-. . / .-- .-. --- -. --. / >> ... --- -- . / .- .-. . / ..- ... . ..-. ..- .-.. >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom >> https://bit.ly/virtualfriam >> to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >> archives: 5/2017 thru present >> https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ >> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >> >
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