Likewise, Nick!

I see multiple tangents departing from the original conversation, and I'm happy to roll back to the original thread.

You're spot on, save for a constant of integration.  The completion I had in mind was supposedly 1, 6, 1, [polyphony ensues, sorry 6,10], 1, 8, 6, [1,10]  ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va87qt0VZ2M ).

-Matteo


On 9/10/25 10:48 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:

Great to hear from you Matteo,

I have no idea mathematically what 1,3,4,6,8,11,10; is, but  musically its the first 7 notes of "if I had a ribbon bow" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkXwfsGBupM). In that case the completion would be,

6,8,8, 8, 8, 8;

But what is it really?

N

On Wed, Sep 10, 2025 at 10:45 AM Matteo Morini <[email protected]> wrote:

    Then, I raise you 1,3,4,6,8,11,10 !

    On 9/10/25 4:39 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:

        Yes. Thank you. I was beginning to fear i had asked an unfair
        q.  Gpt got it on the first pass and then went on to say some
        interesting things about mathematics and semantics

        Sent from my Dumb Phone


        On Sep 10, 2025, at 10:25 AM, Matteo Morini <[email protected]>
        <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:

        

        (Western) music involved? A C major and a mystery, possibly
        minor, scale respectively?

        On 9/10/25 4:10 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:

            Next number in both series is one.

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            On Sep 10, 2025, at 9:42 AM, Roger Frye
            <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:

             Von Neuman warned against high degree polynomial
            fitting. He said "With four parameters I can fit an
            elephant, and with five I can make him wiggle his trunk.”

            Von Neumann's elephant
            <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Von_Neumann's_elephant>

            en.wikipedia.org
            <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Von_Neumann's_elephant>

                

            <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Von_Neumann's_elephant>

            
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                On Sep 10, 2025, at 7:08 AM, glen
                <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
                wrote:

                I figured it was one of these:

                
https://oeis.org/search?q=1%2C3%2C4%2C6%2C8%2C9%2C10%2C13%2C15&language=english&go=Search
                
<https://oeis.org/search?q=1%2C3%2C4%2C6%2C8%2C9%2C10%2C13%2C15&language=english&go=Search>
                
https://oeis.org/search?q=1%2C3%2C5%2C6%2C8%2C10%2C12%2C13%2C15&language=english&go=Search
                
<https://oeis.org/search?q=1%2C3%2C5%2C6%2C8%2C10%2C12%2C13%2C15&language=english&go=Search>

                Were it so, we'd need the next number {16,17} to tell
                the difference. But like many of Nick's riddles, I
                have no idea what he intended.


                On 9/9/25 8:40 PM, Jon Zingale wrote:

                    Sorry, 22. I needed to constrain the two systems.
                    Too much linear algebra to want to explain, but
                    yeah, Vandermonde and all that.
                    On Tue, Sep 9, 2025 at 9:22 PM Jon Zingale
                    <[email protected]
                    <mailto:[email protected]>
                    <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
                       It's 29.
                       I am assuming you are thinking of a polynomial
                    that generates each sequence. Unfortunately, it's
                    a 6th degree polynomial and so solving for the
                    coefficients is a pain. You construct a
                    Vandermonde matrix (V) a vector of dummy
                    coefficients a = [a0, a1, ..., a6]. Then you solve
                    for the coefficients relative to your sequence
                    (S), V * a = S.
                       Python helped nicely:
                       import numpy as np
                       n1 = np.array([0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6])
                       y1 = np.array([1, 3, 5, 6, 8, 10, 12])
                       coeffs1 = np.polyfit(n1, y1, 6)
                       sol1 = np.polyval(coeffs, 7)
                       n2 = np.array([0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6])
                       y2 = np.array([1, 3, 4, 6, 8, 9, 10])
                       coeffs2 = np.polyfit(n2, y2, 6)
                       sol2 = np.polyval(coeffs, 7)
                       =>29
                       On Tue, Sep 9, 2025 at 3:17 PM Nicholas
                    Thompson <[email protected]
                    <mailto:[email protected]>
                    <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
                           Sry. Should be all commas.
                           Sent from my Dumb Phone
                           On Sep 9, 2025, at 1:19 PM, Nicholas
                    Thompson <[email protected]
                    <mailto:[email protected]>
                    <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
                    
                           Here are two mathematical series
                           1,3,5,6,8,10.12, __
                           1.3.4,6,8,9,10, __
                           Both have the same next number.
                           Why, and what are we talking about here?
                           I predict  that only Jon will guess the answer.
                           Please dont trouble yourself with this if
                    you have anything better to do.



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