On 9/29/2011 3:51 AM, Darren Martyn wrote: > Again, I hope this does not fail to send. > The reasoning behind the "Pure Elite" recruitment channel was A: to > recruit some talented people (and, by all accounts, there were some > talented programmers there) and B: development and idle talk. Now more > interesting was the reasoning behind the name - by putting the > developers and coders and potential recruits in a channel named "Pure > Elite", it was essentially an ego boost for the new guys, made them > feel valued, etc, when in fact most were but pawns to be used (IMHO). > > This co-operation between VPN providers and LEO, while being nothing > new - remember how hushmail caved in - is indeed worrying for those of > us who are privacy advocates as well as security researchers. > > On a more direct note, Laurelei, do not presume that you know all > there is to know about them. Doing so would be foolish. (Now don't go > assuming that I hate you, I bear you bugger all ill-will, etc). > Good day. > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:44 AM, Laurelai Storm <laure...@oneechan.org > <mailto:laure...@oneechan.org>> wrote: > > Its all good dude. What really concerns me is that vpn providers > might give over logs to oppressive regemes. TOR is starting to > look better and better. > > On Sep 27, 2011 11:40 PM, "GloW - XD" <doo...@gmail.com > <mailto:doo...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > never did... was only for one buttcheek kid that i was alittle > pissed and > > thinking things wich, prolly were wrong at the time... > > I am adult enough to apologise for what happened back then, and > hopefully it > > is just, cool. > > :) > > cheers, your loved by many, you just have many trollers to :sp > > take care , > > xd > > > > > > On 28 September 2011 14:32, Laurelai Storm > <laure...@oneechan.org <mailto:laure...@oneechan.org>> wrote: > > > >> Im suprised, someone on the internet who *doesn't * hate me :p > >> On Sep 27, 2011 11:29 PM, "GloW - XD" <doo...@gmail.com > <mailto:doo...@gmail.com>> wrote: > >> > Hello Laurelai , > >> > Oh i agree it is still a terrible precedent to be set.. I > dont even know > >> > where, legally, i stand anymore... > >> > It is rather disturbing, nomatter WHO it was laurela. > >> > I am all for the hatred against the VPN provs, and this is > not just > >> > happening here, and i made a BIG statement about this, and > privacy, in my > >> > channel on efnet, first as i saw it. > >> > > >> > Then saw a torrentfreak feed,of someone who was an owner of a > huge > >> torrent > >> > site, was handed to authorities, not by the hoster, no... but > by the > >> > frigging payment handler, ie paypal or alertpay most likely. > >> > > >> > This is not good, it makes a grey could now over what is > 'anon' and what > >> > isnt. and thats a bad thing for us all. > >> > To much fraud is causing this, thats plain and simple.Abusing > places like > >> > Sony, and, major banks, only make the authorities turn to > politics, whom > >> in > >> > turn can bully with federal and state laws of ANY country, i > think this > >> is > >> > the dangerous part wich is affecting lulzsec members or > whoever was apart > >> of > >> > it, and, i mean efnet is no recruiting grounds for decent hkrs. > >> > Simple as that, you know it, maybe thru word of mouth ok, but > not alone > >> by > >> > being in channels but that network, is one federal hideout > now..and, that > >> is > >> > every channel, if it is not being spied (yea they have a module > >> > m_spychannel.c or similar, wich, they actually had without > realising, > >> asked > >> > a friend, to code for them. > >> > This was rejected by me/her,but i believe they have the > module running > >> now. > >> > So, what was to stop them adding theyre own hidden spy mode > to it :s look > >> at > >> > what they did to my old channel #haqnet, they introduced > drinemon and a > >> > bunch of other things, when it could have been simply worked > out with > >> > words.. but anyhow, i will not brood on the past, i hope this > is mutual > >> > Laurelai, I have nothing bad to say about you, and in turn, > expect the > >> same. > >> > Respect for respect dear. > >> > I do agree with you about the situation and, as you can see, > am not > >> holding > >> > 9undisclosed) crappy things wich happened along time ago, > over one > >> idiotic > >> > kid, on efnet, whom now i know you do not associate with. So, > i want > >> that, > >> > to be laid rest now.. please. > >> > And, we can only hope that the greater common sense will > prevail and > >> > hopefully, places will be forced to proove anonymity in some > way, wether > >> > that be by showing people email interaction with requester's > of peoples > >> > info, or anything simple even, wich would be then a standard > for VPN, I > >> do > >> > not use them but, if i bought anonymous vpn, id expect exactly > >> that,without > >> > political interaction and grey areas about who and what is > now legal and > >> not > >> > legal on the internet, on chatrooms, and on even websites. > >> > ok, thats plenty, cheers! > >> > xd > >> > > >> > > >> > On 28 September 2011 13:41, Laurelai <laure...@oneechan.org > <mailto:laure...@oneechan.org>> wrote: > >> > > >> >> On 9/27/2011 10:10 PM, sandeep k wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Lolz members was really insane ,i m not why to use that > crapy hma. > >> >> On Sep 27, 2011 8:36 PM, "Ferenc Kovacs" <tyr...@gmail.com > <mailto:tyr...@gmail.com>> wrote: > >> >> > yeah, and usually the same goes for calling others "kids" ;) > >> >> > > >> >> > On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:30 PM, GloW - XD > <doo...@gmail.com <mailto:doo...@gmail.com>> wrote: > >> >> >> #pure-elite , rofl... yes indeed :P > >> >> >> hehe... nice story tho...funny about the elite channel > thing... why > >> do > >> >> ppl > >> >> >> tag themselves as elite? usually when they are not... > >> >> >> ohwell, thats efnut :s (irc sucks) > >> >> >> xd > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> On 27 September 2011 19:03, Darren Martyn > >> >> >> <d.martyn.fulldisclos...@gmail.com > <mailto:d.martyn.fulldisclos...@gmail.com>> wrote: > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> Hope this sends correctly, new email client and all... > But seeing as > >> it > >> >> is > >> >> >>> an international investigation many people have been > bending over > >> >> backwards > >> >> >>> to assist LEO on this. HMA and perfect privacy were the > VPN's of > >> choice > >> >> for > >> >> >>> them it would appear, oh, and he was part of the > #pure-elite channel > >> on > >> >> that > >> >> >>> IRC server, and hence, considered by LEO and others as > "Part of > >> >> LulzSec". > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> TL;DR, this is nothing new. > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 6:53 AM, Laurelai Storm < > >> laure...@oneechan.org <mailto:laure...@oneechan.org> > >> >> > > >> >> >>> wrote: > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> And the guy wasnt even a part of lulzsec > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> On Sep 26, 2011 10:37 PM, "Jeffrey Walton" > <noloa...@gmail.com <mailto:noloa...@gmail.com>> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> >>>> > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:47 PM, Ivan . > <ivan...@gmail.com <mailto:ivan...@gmail.com>> > >> wrote: > >> >> >>>> >> > >> >> >>>> >> > >> >> > >> > > http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/VPN-provider-helped-track-down-alleged-LulzSec-member-1349666.html > >> >> >>>> > Though HMA claims they complied with a court order, > it looks as > >> if > >> >> >>>> > they facilitated a law enforcement request. The US > and the FBI > >> have > >> >> no > >> >> >>>> > jurisdiction in the UK. > >> >> >>>> > > >> >> >>>> > Jeff > >> >> >>>> > > >> >> >>>> > _______________________________________________ > >> >> >>>> > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > >> >> >>>> > Charter: > http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > >> >> >>>> > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ > >> >> >>>> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > >> >> >>>> Charter: > http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > >> >> >>>> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> _______________________________________________ > >> >> >>> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > >> >> >>> Charter: > http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > >> >> >>> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> >> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > >> >> >> Charter: > http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > >> >> >> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > -- > >> >> > Ferenc Kovács > >> >> > @Tyr43l - http://tyrael.hu > >> >> > > >> >> > _______________________________________________ > >> >> > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > >> >> > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > >> >> > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > >> >> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > >> >> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > >> >> > >> >> >From my understanding they used the channel as a possible > recruitment > >> >> ground, though only 6 people were officially a part of > lulzsec , i find > >> it > >> >> disturbing that law enforcement considers being in an irc > channel > >> tantamount > >> >> to being a part of lulzsec. > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > >> >> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > >> >> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > >> >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > >
I don't assume i know everything about them, and I'm all for hearing other points of view so i bear no ill will for your comments and im happy to hear any insights people have on this matter :) What I do know however is Kayla's perspective of the situation as she told me and what Ive gathered with public information. When i say the guy was never a part of lulzsec i mean it in the respect that Kayla never considered him a member, they didn't consider people in the pure elite channel to be members and you are right that they were potential recruits but only 6 people were considered actual members of lulzsec and that's according to Kayla, if she was telling me the truth and her information was accurate then this person was never really a part of their group.
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