Hi Robert,

I tend to think that there are three types.
-Artist Healers of which there are some.
-Technicians who are on their way to becoming artist healers but may fail,
-Workers who plan to make money for a job and will do whatever they need to
protect the $200,000 investment they made and still pay the loans on.  If
you add the $100,000 per year for malpractice insurance and the fact that
the loss of a single case can make you uninsurable then you get an issue of
politics and defensibility rather than humanity.

Once upon a time, a doctor was responsible for the life he undertook to
save.   If the patient died, he owed a life, his own or a relative.   So
they didn't take patients on lightly and patients had to work hard to be
cured once taken on or the Doctor would not make their leaving a comfortable
one.   It was not a dice game but a choice taken to heroically struggle with
a demon for the body of the sick person.   We have chosen to do a medicine
of scale which removes responsibility from the sick for being sick.   That
makes the rest of the environment also able to be irresponsible in the
development of sickness.   To blame the Doctor for being the end result of
such a system is not logical in my opinion.

If you want healing then do something to make that more likely.   Jan Peerce
flew all over the world and sang his last concert when he was 79 in Carnegie
Hall with the voice of a young man.    Four months later he was dead at the
age of 80.    Wherever he went his wife made sure that he had his own kosher
food, cared for lovingly by this partner in the family business.   It flew
with him to Japan and if he didn't have it then he didn't sing.    His
health was legendary when most retire in their fifties due to ill health.
You are what you eat or as my French physician who IS a healer says "Shit
in, Shit out."    If you want things to work then you must guard your energy
with no pesticides, hormones, steroids, molds, etc.     Foods of scale
assumes that a little mold in the corn is OK but aflotoxin is one of the
most toxic poisons on the earth.   I find corn all the time with aflo-toxin
that has been dried and sold for "Indian Corn".     Indians would know
better.

Contract law and suits don't work.   You have to have a clear morality and a
clear punishment when it is broken.   Not because they are bad people but
because they did a bad thing and must pay.   Lawyers shouldn't protect you
from paying but should simply protect the society from people being required
to pay unfairly.     But that is not the "free market."    It is also not
the litigious system that says that the best argument will prove justice
whether true or not.   that lawyers are free to win while lying with
impunity is a flaw in the system that is horrible to us and to them as
people.   Just as it is horrible to CEOs to allow them to act
sociopathically with impunity because it's business.    Unless classical
economists would agree that Doctors' deserve the same that they inflict upon
a patient should the patient die, simply moving to another Doctor is not a
viable answer when you are dead or maimed.   The market is a useless idea in
healing.   Surgery is injury, stabbing and cutting for complicated purposes.
It inflicts pain and suffering even when it heals.   It is important for
people not to downplay the horror of surgery and modern medicine even though
it saves lives.

The biggest lie of all is that "liberal" means to turn your responsibility
over to the cooperative and walk away.    It goes along with the comment
that a Conservative is a anal fascist.    Until we give up lying about each
other and value truth in our relationships, the system is unworkable.   The
worst lies are economic and mathematic.

REH







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> I have had the experience of being involved in a law suit against an
> unethical doctor.  It's a profession, governed by a regulatory
> self-governing body, also of questionable ethics, that has little
> credibility in my books.
>
> When Pascal wrote the following, he was talking about doctors:
>
> "When malice has rationality on its side, it puffs itself up and parades
> reason in all its lustre."
>
> The quote is from John Ralson Saul's "On Equilibrium" and he seems to
share
> our scornful view of medical ethics.  Caveat emptor!  I will balance this
by
> saying that there are some very fine physicians out there who practice the
> art of medicine with humanity - and they are well worth searching for -
but
> they are in the minority in a profession for which I have little respect.
> Lest you think the law suit I was involved in was dismissed, I can offer
> that there was an out-of-court settlement, once it was moving in the
> direction of a jury trial, and a confidentiality agreement was imposed.
> That's how these questionable folks silence their critics.
Coincidentally,
> the physician was represented by the same law firm that represented Conrad
> Black in his suit against Jean Chretien, a couple of years back.  They are
> quite prepared to use every dirty trick in the book to squash upstarts who
> confront them.  Forget Hippocrates.  That gives you some sense of how
> seriously they respond to citizens who challenge them.  Challenging them
is
> a fight worth fighting, nevertheless.
>
> BB
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>
> > accreditation is a thorny issue.
> >
> > It is nice to see the diplomas on the wall (of doctor, lawyer, engineer,
> > architect) but are we sure they know what they are doing?  and what if
> they
> > don't?  what recourse?
> >
> > that is why I guess that people say, when moving to a new town ask
around.
> > find a doc in a teaching hospital (more accreditation and more
> supervision,
> > helping to catch the oafs).
> >
> > Friedman would say that the market will work. As long as information is
> > provided (which it currently isn't.  the medical world, for example is
> > shrouded in cya and mystery)  When a patient dies, in Friedman's model
> the
> > next prospective patient would  move to a different doctor.  Today with
> > cover ups, when a patient dies there is no information on why this
> happened
> > or indeed if it happened at all.  Unless of course there is a law suit.
> >
> > arthur
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Brad McCormick, Ed.D. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 8:44 AM
> > To: Cordell, Arthur: ECOM
> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
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> > Subject: Re: Slightly extended (was Re: [Futurework] David Ricardo,
> > Cavema n Trade vs. Modern Trade
> >
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > > Harry,
> > >
> > > Go back an re-read Milton Friedman's Capitalism and Freedom.  He makes
a
> > > strong case for getting rid of a lot of the accreditation in society
> > > saying that it just builds enclaves of monopoly power. ie., privilege.
> > [snip]
> >
> > It seems to me that the justification for accreditation
> > lies in the HUGE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE, which
> > prevents persons from verifying the competencies of the
> > persons they need services from by first-person
> > experience of performative evidence.
> >
> > Our doctors, et al., apart from their cdredentials,
> > are mostly "pig in a poke"s to us.  I don't see how this
> > can be changed in the anonymo-city.
> >
> > However, perhaps the credentialling process can be
> > shifted from multiple choice tests to the making and
> > predsentation of masterpieces.  This happens to
> > some extent (e.g., for watchmaker trainees). But I
> > think the tendency is away from personal presentation
> > of evidence of mastery toward enhancing
> > Educational Testing Service's
> > services.
> >
> > Anoher problem is that even where supposedly
> > evidence of mastery is the criterion, as in the
> > PhD dissertation process, much of the time the
> > "evidence" prouced is something that means nothing
> > to the learner but which is of some use as
> > cheap labor to those who already have their
> > credential.  I think we need to acknowledge that
> > many graduate students do not yet have any
> > really meaningful interests in their young lives,
> > and we need to find a way to let them
> > do the jobs they are training for without
> > jumping thru hoops.
> >
> >      For the mindful god abhors untimely growth.
> >                (--Holderlin)
> >
> > Dissertations should be optional productions, which
> > come when "the spirit moves" a person to have
> > something to say in an honorific sense.
> >
> > Besides making the creenialling process more
> > genuinely reasonable as part of meaningful
> > personal and social life, I think we also
> > ned to tr to minimize the situations
> > which require credentialling.  Automobile driving
> > licenses are an obvious example here: The whole
> > instituional establishment of driver licensing
> > only exists because persons cannot walk to the
> > places they need and want to go to in their
> > daily lives.  We need to design out of
> > life such regimentation-creating social
> > structures. -- unless, of course, we genuinely
> > enjoy being tested and geting credentialled and failing
> > to get credentialled.... "Daddy, when can I take
> > the SATs? I wanna! I really wanna! When, daddy,
> > PLEASE!" "Sorry son, but you have to go to kindergarten
> > first. You have to learn to be patient.  You'll
> > get your chance to do the fun things
> > grownups do when you are old enough. You just
> > have to have some patience...."
> >
> > \brad mccormick
> >
> > --
> >    Let your light so shine before men,
> >                that they may see your good works.... (Matt 5:16)
> >
> >    Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. (1 Thes 5:21)
> >
> > <![%THINK;[SGML+APL]]> Brad McCormick, Ed.D. / [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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