On Mon, Mar 11, 2002 at 11:01:46AM +0100, Dominik Vogt wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 11, 2002 at 08:42:24AM +0100, Olivier Chapuis wrote:
> > On Sun, Mar 10, 2002 at 10:37:53AM +0100, Dominik Vogt wrote:
> > > On Sun, Mar 10, 2002 at 08:33:08AM +0100, Olivier Chapuis wrote:
> > > > On Sat, Mar 09, 2002 at 08:50:38PM +0100, Dominik Vogt wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > Olivier, there is some unfinished work in Flocale.* and Fft.*.
> > > > > Specifically, I added a new member to the FlocaleFont structure:
> > > > > min_char_offset.  This should be the x offset at which characters
> > > > > are printed for vertical titles.  I didn't know how to calculate
> > > > > that for Xft (I don't have any documentation).  Can you please
> > > > > take a look at that?
> > 
> > Hum I do not know too.
> 
> Isn't there some documentation about the "extents" structure of
> the Xft fonts?
>

The only doc I now on Xft is a very poor man page, the headers files
and the source code.
 
> > > BTW, I'm not convinced titles with one letter atop the other look
> > > better than rotated titles.
> > >
> > 
> > Maybe this should be a style? RotateVerticalTitle / AtopVerticalTitle.
> > 
> > <Some others remarks without real importance in comparison from the
> > wonderfull fact that fvwm has now vertical title!!>
> 
> It's probably not important enough to write code for *both* ways.
>

Yes, but I make some test with "Atop". This is ugly and castrophic
with certain string. I think we should rotate.
 
> > Also, it is not clear for me in which "direction" we should rotate
> > the title. It is clear that the default is to perform a -90° rotation,
> > as French guys (and maybe pepeole from other countries) would like
> > a +90° rotation
> 
> +90° is "top to bottom" and -90° is "bottom to top"?  The most
> natural way seems to be text from bottom to top on the left side
> and top to bottom on the right side.  When you turn your head
> before the screen it tends to lean a bit to the side:
> 
>   |  <- the neck in neutral position
>   /  <- when looking right
>   \  <- when looking left
> 
> Thus, the angle between the lines between the eyes and the title
> is reduced a bit (85° instead of 90° for example).  Of course you
> can have the left side of a window to the right of your head, but
> it's less likely to happen.
>

Interesting. I thought about books in a library: for example,
American book title are top to bottom as French book title are
bottom to top. Maybe, these traditions are important as the users
may have their brain already formed for a given direction?

Olivier
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