On 01 May 2003 16:09:04 -0400, Bob Woodside wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 1 May 2003 17:55:21 +0000
> Mikhael Goikhman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > On 01 May 2003 11:37:39 -0400, Bob Woodside wrote:
> > > 
> > >   Does anyone else have access to a slow connection and a browser
> > > other than Internet Exploder? If so, would you try out the pages and
> > > let us know if you see the resizing problem Dominik describes?
> > 
> > I always saw this, even using localhost after a complete reload.
> > Opera, Konqueror. This happens now too.
> 
>       I really hate to ask this...but are you absolutely sure the browser
> isn't pulling a cached copy? If you view the source you should see 2
> occurrences of 'width="100"'. If that's the version you're getting, and
> if you see what Dominik described - not just a little resizing, but the
> "window" frame rendered to fill the whole window and then resized to
> accommodate the "pager" frame - then I don't know what more we can
> do to try to prevent it (other than maybe making the whole pager an
> image-mapped image, but I agree with Uwe in not liking that idea too
> much).

Since it seems you are very interested, here is the story for you.
Just tried in Konqueror 3.1 (slashes help to gets a new html copy).

  http://localhost/////fvwm-web/  # or http://fvwm.org/////

During the first such try the resizing usually does not happen.
Now I add one more slash. The window decorations occupy the whole page,
then are shrunk by a pager. Add additional slash and press Enter,
the same resizing.

With Opera currently I can't reproduce the resizing, it may be because it
is too fast or because you added the width of the parent table in the
last commit. But I can easily reproduce the layout changes. For example,
with some browser size, I see a scrollbar is added at some point and the
whole page is rendered as if there is a scrollbar, but then scrollbar
disappears and the whole page is resized to the right because of this.
Additionally, I see that the margins between the pager and the top-right
page corner are large initially and then they are reduced and the whole
pager is moved and the window decorations are resized. This is probably
because css is now in separate file and Opera starts to render without
loading the css. Anyway, it is all pretty fast and not very disturbing.

Tried several more times with Opera, it returned, I consistently see the
initial window resizing from the whole page in the NEWS page (the tall
window is rendered before the pager cell). Yes, the html has two "100".

I don't think we should do anything about this. Just get used to the idea
that the web page rendering is nowaday less static, more dynamic.
Of course if someone can improve the situation without breaking something
(like changing pager's ratio or making it look better with some fonts,
but worser with others), he is welcome.

Regards,
Mikhael.
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