OTOH, there is plenty of evidence of how criminal and corrupt these
jokers are. But people are blinded, as usual, because of "convenience".

Oh well. I won't say I told you so when you get screwed.

Brian

On Thu, 2003-06-19 at 20:06, Bruce Johnson wrote:
> Brian Deuel wrote:
> > http://www.paypalwarning.com
> > http://www.paypalsucks.com
> > 
> > PLENTY of people have had problems with them. I lost $4,500 a couple of
> > years ago when they froze my account for "suspicious" activity.
> 
> Note: Your problems with using them to accept funds as a business do not 
> necessarily have anything whatsoever to do what the vast majority of us 
> on the other side do with paypal, which is to pay for things.
> 
> I'm sorry you have had problems with Paypal.
> 
> OTOH, there is NO OTHER way to pay things in a manner convenient or 
> conducive to protecting our interests as consumers. If someone tells me 
> they won't deal with Paypal or a credit card, I'll often say 'I won't 
> deal with you'.
> 
> If not Paypal, we have the choice of using (and paying for) an escrow 
> service, or sending cash, check or money order off into the ether with 
> no assurances at all.
> 
> If they have wrongfully siezed your money, then you have at the very 
> least a valid civil case against them (for damages, costs and punitive 
> damages), if not a criminal one ($4500 is well over the limit to qualify 
> as grand theft in any jurisdiction I've ever heard of, let alone $60K).
> 
> If you do not have the records necessary to support your case, then 
> well, caveat proprietor. This is why businesspeople keep books, 
> reciepts, etc.
> 
> You would have the same experience with a major credit card company if 
> they thought you were commiting fraud, except they'd harm your 
> businesses credit rating quite severely, and possibly have criminal 
> fraud charges brought against you as well.
> 
> -- 
> Bruce Johnson
> University of Arizona
> College of Pharmacy
> Information Technology Group
> 
> Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs
> 
> 


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