I think it is disgusting when students are not given the opportunity to
explore different operating systems. And yes, it is the IT staff that have
no imagination or inclination to learn another OS. They are biased and just
plain lazy. I'm sure there are some out there who would jump at the
opportunity to learn something other than Windoze.

What is definitely puzzling to me is the Mac systems were taken out of
graphic design labs. The college offers an AA in communication arts. In the
real world about 85% of design studios and print shops use Mac systems. How
does that prepare the student for the industry? It doesn't. Of course, when
I went to college, there were no computers. We did everything by hand,
including lettering. The good old days of paste-up with mylar, wax and Xacto
knives. And then there were the Vari-typer machines that preceeded our
modern computers for typesetting. I much prefer our technology of today but
wish those who don't do the work, don't make the decisions of the tools
professionals use.

As for that B&W computer, talk to the lab personnel. Maybe you can make a
deal and free up that space for yet another Windoze machine.

kt


> From: Brian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: G-Books <G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com>
> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:38:42 -0500
> To: G-Books <G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com>
> Subject: Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA
> 
> I hate it when campuses go all PC.  It really has nothing to do with
> doing the job better or saving money, it's really about a staff of
> incompetent IT personnel who refuse to learn anything but the most
> basic PC skills.  Take the school I go to: all PC network, and the IT
> staff haven't a clue what they are doing.  The wireless went down in
> one building for 2 weeks, the guys on site never bothered to say
> anything about it to anyone else despite numerous complaints, and the
> only answer to us students was "it's not our responsibility." so the
> main IT office never even got word that the wireless was down.  Once
> they did find out, they didn't even know what was wrong for another
> week.  Complete incompetence.  What really pains me is that they have
> a B&W sitting under a table in a computer lab, no one knows how it
> works, no one cares, so it jsut sits there taking up space.
> Brian
> 
> On Aug 16, 2005, at 7:27 PM, Karen Thompson wrote:
> 
>> I wish I could say I was a dumpster diver and got some of those
>> Macs, but
>> alas, it hit the local news before we knew what was happening. But
>> now I'm
>> keeping a sharp eye as I understand the Windoze systems have won
>> out and
>> next fiscal year the Macs will be history. (They have already
>> replaced the
>> student labs with Windoze systems.) I'd like to have my old dual
>> processor
>> G4 with the 20" Cinema display.
>> 
>> Up until recently, the systems were changed out every two years so
>> we were
>> fortunate at one time to have the latest and the greatest. Alas, no
>> more.
>> Not even OS upgrades.
>> 
>> I realize greed is a natural human condition but I've traveled all
>> over the
>> world and have never seen in other countries what I've seen here.
>> But then
>> perhaps it's where I live. Annapolis, Maryland the "Sailboating
>> Capital of
>> the World" a/k/a Ego Alley. But then there are other rivals,
>> Newport, RI and
>> Auckland, New Zealand.
>> 
>> kt
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> From: Bruce Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Reply-To: G-Books <G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com>
>>> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:42:39 -0700
>>> To: G-Books <G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com>
>>> Subject: Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Aug 16, 2005, at 4:23 PM, Karen Thompson wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Only in America! It's a sad commentary on money, greed and
>>>> conspicuous
>>>> consumption in this country.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> If you think "Only in America", oh, dear, you are so, sooo
>>> wrong...greed is a natural human condition.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> I think you are right Michelle, some of these
>>>> will definitely end up on eBay. Why didn't they just donate to the
>>>> Christina
>>>> Foundation or another charitable org and take the write off?
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Because as a government entity they're non-profit, ergo, no tax
>>> write-
>>> off and they have to go through specific procedures dispose of
>>> surplus systems; most of the time these rules are deeply convoluted
>>> because people are always good at manipulating them for personal
>>> profit.
>>> 
>>> Also, having worked in .edu and non-profits for quite a while, I can
>>> tell you that our systems tend to get run into the ground before we
>>> send 'em off to Surplus Property.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Of course at
>>>> the college I worked for, they just put Macs in the dumpster. Go
>>>> figure!
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hey, more for the dumpster divers! I should hope you rescued at least
>>> some of them...
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Bruce Johnson
>>> 
>>> This is the sig who says 'Ni!'
>>> 
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