I do enjoy a traditional style game occasionally, though with the issues I
mentioned with chess and space I personally prefer something like Bg
nomination whist or pontes backgammon myself.
Rs games I do occasionally though generally if I'm going to play with others
across the net I prefer to do so with a more social humour based game like
cards against humanity.
All the best,
Dark.
There is always more to know, more to see, more to learn. The world is vast
and wondrous strange and there are more things benieth the stars than even
the archmaesters of the citadel can dream.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Josh K" <joshknnd1...@gmail.com>
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 3:37 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] chess was Re: info AudioGames Game Engine
hey shawn I'm the same way. But lately I find playing spoonbill games and
rs-games and quenton c's games and some of the GMA-cards-games is a fun
and relaxing passtime for me. especially learning chess. lately to
practice offensive and defensive strategies I play against another human
but I play chess both white and black by myself just to try out different
moves.
follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982
On 6/17/2015 1:35 AM, shaun everiss wrote:
wow been out of touch lately playing ironic renpy gamebooks.
Anyway I agree with everything you have said up to this point.
I tried to program but I never got that far never had the patience to
stick with actual code nore the wish to write programs.
While I can write stories in my head writing it down is impossible I
never can get everything or if I do it its way to short or I forget and
have a mindlock.
Testing and sounds are my strong point though sound recorder and shoving
sfx together is as far as I have needed to go.
I have done some voice scripts but to be honest my hardware is budget and
I have neither the cash or space more importantly space to store or use
the more expensive stuff pluss my environment is just not cut out for
that sort of thing.
I have also the lazyness issue where I tend to comit to stuff then
suddenly get distracted or burn out for no reason what so ever.
Then I stress that if I have something I need to do that I won't get it
in on time etc.
Saying that the stuff I do do I try to do the best I can.
However I have never been able to work for more than 30 minutes at a time
even less and I have to be in a mood to even do things.
This mood can change depending on what the computer is doing or if
something is on my plate to do or if I am completely relaxed.
Sometimes I get to a point where I feel I can string things together and
make something sometimes I get there sometimes I don't.
Eventually though shortly before I am even done reality comes back to hit
me again and I wander what I started and kill it till the next time.
I find it hard to stick to some tasks long term or if something is to
hard or needs concentration over a sertain point I find it easier to put
it off for ever so yeah to be a developer is hard work and as far as I
care you devs are cool an do good things.
I don't know if I will get to that stage I may do some day who knows.
At 06:33 p.m. 15/06/2015, you wrote:
Hi Mohsin ,
I can definitely understand where you are coming from because I was
where you are now a few years ago. I was a sighted gamer up until my
mid teens when I went blind, and when I went to college I had some
idea I'd get a degree in computer science and be a computer
programmer. My initial idea or dream was to write accessible computer
games equivalent to those I had ben exposed to before I lost my sight.
Stuff like Quake, Doom, Tomb Raider, Jedi Knight, Soldier of Fortune,
etc. I was convinced all I needed to do was learn to program and from
their it would be easy. As it turned out it wasn't as simple or as
straight forward as I thought.
Interesting enough I personally did not find learning programming to
be that hard. I know we are all different, some learn things easier
than others, but by far learning to develop games was actually easier
than other aspects of the process. There are a lot of problems I had
not even imagined or considered when I decided to specialize in game
programming. Things that were in my opinion much more difficult than
the programming required to write a game or accessible product.
One issue I see as a problem for audio game developers is advertising.
Sure there are a few hundred blind customers on Audyssey and the Audio
Games Forum, but the reality is they are just a small minority of the
thousands perhaps millions of blind people world wide who are not
connected with any audio gaming venue. Let's face it advertising via
TV and radio can get extremely expensive. So expensive that it would
take incredible financing to market a product that way. News Papers
are a cheaper method of advertising games and other products, but
there we have the problem of its not an accessible means of
communication from an audio game developer to his/her potential blind
customers. We can assume the majority of blind people do not read the
morning paper and if they do an aid or family member reads it to them
meaning that the best we can hope for that a friend or family member
brings it to the blind persons attention. Regardless of the method and
means a developer looks at it is going to cost a lot of money to get
the word out about their product, and there does not seem to be a good
method to market a product to the blind community at large at this
time.
Another difficulty is just demographics and age. It is a well known
fact that the majority of people with vision problems today are senior
citizens who are 60 or older. In other words people who are
grandparents who likely have different interests than their grandkids
in their teens or early 20's. As a result a young developer might
spend years writing a blockbuster equivalent to the latest and
greatest mainstream game aimed at his or generation only to discover
it has absolutely no market value beyond his generation. The older
generation of senior citizens, who make up the majority of the blind
and low vision market, aren't interested in that type of game. So
while it sounds exciting and fun to create accessible versions of our
favorite mainstream game or games it turns out it might not be
marketable outside of a handful of enthusiasts our own age.
There is a way to offset both of those problems and that is to create
games that can directly be sold in the mainstream market as indie
games. The problem there is the game developer will have to compete
with other indie games of similar quality by hiring a graphics
designer, learn how to do proper graphics animation, and will involve
more time and overhead in adding lots of visual effects that won't aid
the audio games community. Thus potentially distracting the developer
from other concerns.
Bottom line, I see where you are coming from. A lot of younger blind
people have this dream of having accessible audio games equivalent to
the mainstream games they know and love, but as you can hopefully see
it is not that simple. There are an entire host of issues unresolved
in terms of marketing, of developing games for the right age group,
and so forth that need to be discussed. Programming the game we want
is only half the story because after some developer does it he or she
still needs to find a way to market it to the community at large and
find like minded gamers in the right age group.
Cheers!
On 6/14/15, Mohsin Ali <sma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Thomas,
>
> I see your point now, yes, you are right on both accounts, and I agree
> that those are all valid reasons. but, you cant fault a man for hoping
> of better future. we all must put some effort to accomplish this task.
> although, I am studying history, but I did my intermediate in computer
> science, and am trying to make the heads and tails of the game
> programming. the first step is always the most difficult and I hope
> that one day the audio games would be able to compete in normal
> market.
>
> cheers.
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