well steave, that is true, but the Rnib, which has by far the most resources 
etc is stil wary of offending publishers by going directly against their 
wishes.

the dark tower is a case in point, sinse at present the audio versions which 
Thom has mentioned aren't published in the Uk, but the publishers have 
stated that at some point they might wish to publish them over here, so no 
Rnib recording (despite the fact that they've already recorded the first 
four books in the series).

Though mind you, trying to get the Rnib to make an effort in reccording 
anything not aimed at people over the age of 70 is like getting blood out of 
a stone (I've been trying to do it for quite literally the last 18 years).

But I won't start a long wrant here.

all the best,

Dark.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Azabat (Steve Crawford)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 12:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Forcing accessibility


> Hi Dark,
>
> The UK copyright situation has recently changed because of the Disability
> Discrimination Act. Previously you had to ask permission from the 
> publisher
> before you could produce an alternative format of a book but now you can 
> do
> a Braille or audio version, provided a commercial one doesn't already 
> exist,
> without having to ask permission. The only provision is that it must be 
> free
> of charge, so it's down to charities and individuals (usually in prison) 
> to
> transcribe the material.
>
> My view is that this may extend to computer games, so producing accessible
> versions of popular computer games where none exist may be a defense under
> the DDA. Nobody's been prosecuted yet so let's wait and see.
>
> I recently came across a Who Wants To Be A Millionaire book that was being
> dumped in one pound shops so I bought a copy, transcribed some of it and
> produced an accessible version for a disabled person who would not be able
> to access the printed material. He doesn't read Braille so the format I
> chose was to make it into a computer game. Under the DDA, I reckon I'm
> entitled to do this without seeking permission. However, I'm definitely 
> not
> allowed to sell it and I doubt if I am allowed to give it away.
>
> Back to your problem, have you tried RevealWeb, NLB/RNIB and Calibre? I
> think they are the main sources for audio books.
>
> Cheers,
> Steve
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of Dark
> Sent: 18 February 2007 19:03
> To: Gamers Discussion list
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Forcing accessibility
>
>
> Hi thom.
>
> I am actually looking into getting hold of The Dark tower at the moment, 
> and
> have also gone through the hiddiously tortuous and long winded process 
> that
> it takes to get stuff from the National Libruary of Congress exported to 
> the
> Uk, (which isn't helped by the fact that the Rnib are useless).
>
> I was however just giving it as an example.
>
> In the Uk, there is absolutely no governmental backing or funding for the
> production of accessible books, and quite a few publishers just reffuse to
> allow tvarious charitable organizations permission to reccord their books,
> simply on the off chance that they might, at some point in the future wish
> to produce a commercial audio copy themselves, and thus any reccordings 
> the
> charities did would, supposedly hurt their sails.
>
> In the Us However, as far as I understand it, sinse production of audio
> books (and maybe braille as well), is both funded and backed by the
> government, this sort of arguement doesn't come up.
>
> I'll skip my long anti-capitalist wrant here, but suffice it to say the
> situation really! annoys me!
>
> then of course, there's the problem that publishers often abridge what
> commercial audio books they do produce, sometimes I think abridging books
> should be punishable by abridging the culprit, ----- with an axe!
>
> And finally there's the issue we've already touched upon here, the problem
> that three quarters of blind people are over the age of 65, which is only
> made moree acuteby the charities intense lack of resources and (in the 
> case
> of the Rnib), severe lack of knolidge of things like book genres and 
> series
> continuity as well.
>
> I'm extremely sorry for the offtopicitude here, it's just that this is one
> issue that really! gets on my whick!
>
> Beware the Grue! (especially when wranting).
>
> dark.
>
>
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