Agree with Michael. I hated the iPhone 3gs at first, so went back to a nokia. However, I got my iPhone 4 in June last year, and wouldn't swap it for a nokia any day. Anyway, in terms of accessibility, Apple wins the race. Just a shame the android phones etc can't have the same feature for free like Apple, but no, if you want to get an android phone to be accessible, you have to get someone to download the mobile access onto the phone, then pay £59 or so for it to work fully (that Is to say, not a demo). Ok, rant over, or else we might as well be posting on the blind phones list. Hahaha.
-----Original Message----- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Michael Taboada Sent: 21 April 2012 21:17 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] LWorks Hi, This kind of defeats the point of a touch screen. The point of a touch screen is to not need buttons, and apple's done, in my opinion, an amazing job of making it accessible. If you wanted them to have buttons just because blind people can't, if only just slightly, use a touch screen as well as the sighted, then they'd have to make a totally separate model just for blind people, which would get us back to square one with separate devices. Hth, -Michael. -----Original Message----- From: Damien Pendleton Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 3:14 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] LWorks Hi Brian, Well I feel they've as good as done that, otherwise they would have given us solid ground to work on. Yes, you could argue that the delay helps us not to touch things accidentally, but why have that there in the first place when you can have buttons that are separated, easy to find, and easy to know what you are activating? Regards, Damien. ----- Original Message ----- From: <bpeterson2...@cableone.net> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] LWorks > Dirty? Wow. I certainly don't see it as such. After all, if they hadn't > changed how the screen worked we would be constantly activating things by > accident anytime we so much as touched the screen. And I certainly don't > see it as conning the law, otherwise all they would have done was > developed something like Microsoft Narrator or just told us tough luck. > > > > Are you threatening me? I am the great Cornholio! I come from Lake > Titicaca! > -----Original Message----- > From: Damien Pendleton > Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 1:38 PM > To: Gamers Discussion list > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] LWorks > > Hi Brian, > The thing is, they're only accessible because we've had to use dirty > workarounds to access things that sighted people can access quicker than > we > can even use a computer. They can see which part of the screen they are > touching, they can see how to do all the moves right, so they've got no > need > to worry. They seem to have it all handed to them on a plate where we have > to crawl in the dirt to get access to what we need. > Regards, > Damien. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <bpeterson2...@cableone.net> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org> > Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 7:00 PM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] LWorks > > >>I think you're missing the point though. Touch screens are cheaper to make >>and qite frankl last longer since eventually buttons will give out. My >>laptop for instance is missing te Tab key. Besides, now tat it's been >>proven that touch screens CAN be made accessible I can see a big leap >>forward in terms of our technology. >> >> >> >> Are you threatening me? I am the great Cornholio! I come from Lake >> Titicaca! >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Damien Pendleton >> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 11:25 AM >> To: Gamers Discussion list >> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] LWorks >> >> Hi Dark, >> If I were to go into my deepest thoughts about touch screen, I'd have to >> ban >> myself for profanity. Trust it to say, I hate them with a passion and >> think >> that adding voiceover to a touch screen device is just another corrupt >> twisted pro sighted business way of conning the law and getting away with >> discrimination. The fact that so many VI people have found a way to >> conquer >> that is rather impressive to me, and if that's the case, then so be it. >> But >> I think it's rather unnecessary to have to do that when the business >> itself >> should make more of an effort. Just because they don't know we exist, or >> choose to believe we don't exist, doesn't make us go away. And if >> companies >> continue to design things in their own eye happy way, in another twenty >> or >> thirty years it's probably unlikely we'd be able to use anything in the >> mainstream market and we'll be right back to square one with specially >> designed excessively expensive products and the like. >> That's only my opinion, I know tons of you won't agree, but this debate >> goes >> slightly away from games so I don't want this to turn into a full blown >> argument as to which is the best operating system to work with. >> That's me off my soapbox now. >> Regards, >> Damien. >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "dark" <d...@xgam.org> >> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org> >> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 5:55 PM >> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] LWorks >> >> >>>I must admit I'm planning on an Iphone myself when my laptop busts, since >>>these days I just need something portable, and there are more and more >>>really awsom sounding games for it. >>> >>> I understand there will be a learning curve, but actually I will >>> probably use games to help me with that, for instance playing text games >>> to learn about screen navigation, the same way that playing online web >>> games got me familiar with site navigation. >>> >>> Of course, I've not tried one yet, so I might be jumping to conclusions, >>> but from the sound of it touch screens are the way to go, and I'm >>> intreagued by the idea of one that works with screen reading. >>> >>> Beware the grue! >>> >>> Dark. >>> >>> --- >>> Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >>> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >>> gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >>> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >>> http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >>> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. >>> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the >>> list, >>> please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. >> >> >> --- >> Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >> gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >> http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. >> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the >> list, >> please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. >> >> --- >> Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >> gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >> http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. >> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the >> list, >> please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the > list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the > list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. 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