Don't agree This is why the sighted community thinks what they do of us
Sent from my iPhone On Apr 22, 2012, at 9:47 AM, "Damien Pendleton" <dam...@blunderfield.plus.com> wrote: > Hi Mike, > There are some things we need to complain about. I'm the sort of person who > won't take things lying down. If I'm not happy with something then I will say > it. A lot of people can just grin and bear it, but to me it's that sort of > attitude that continues to prove to big arrogant snobbish money grabbers that > blind people don't care either way. For example, there's a lot of products > that don't have any accessibility features on at all that I have also rang > the manufacturers and complained about. It's funny how I'm apparently, quite > often, the only one who has mentioned it. A lot of sighted people even admit > they don't think of blind people because they don't come across us on a > day-to-day basis. Whether they come across us or not, they still know > blindness exists, therefore they must know that blind people exist. So why > not think of them in some way, even if it's to talk to the company they work > for about making some changes that could help their blind customer base, so > to speak? To me that's awful. I think we should make a lot more of a stand to > turn the world around at least partially rather than taking the sighted > person's side all the time. > OK. So they've put screenreaders in the IPhone. Good start. But not everyone > can handle touch screens, and that's not just blind people. > Regards, > Damien. > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Maslo" <mmaslo1...@swbell.net> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org> > Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 2:30 PM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] LWorks > > >> I am so amazed when I read posts like this >> >> We are blind and without us getting our sight back we will never be as or on >> the same level >> >> However feeling sorry for yourself or complaining helps how >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Apr 22, 2012, at 7:54 AM, "dark" <d...@xgam.org> wrote: >> >>> I will agree with damien's point about access. >>> >>> it is true that even a pc with the best screen reader is not of the same >>> level of access, ie, effortlessness as a sighted user would experience. >>> >>> for example, I am right now checking my mails. I have to look at (ie listen >>> to supernova tell me), the title, subject, sender etc of each as I arrow >>> through them, deleting some, replying to others etc. A sighted user could >>> skim read all the mails on a page in a short space, and delete spam or >>> unnecessary mail very much more quickly using the mouse, simply by virute >>> of the screen overview. >>> >>> So, access technology is not currently, even on the best system the equal >>> of what a sighted person does, and I expect the Iphone is in the same >>> catagory. >>> >>> That being said, unfortunately there isn't a choice. As said with the >>> windows 7 debate, microsoft are going for inconvenient, flashy interfaces >>> with no way of changing their look or feel, simply because they are >>> motivated only by the acquisition of prophit and nothing else, however, >>> failing a massive change in world policy there's not much we can do about >>> this, other than try what workarounds are! available and try to promote >>> more access. >>> >>> i'm in fact quite amazed any sort of screen reading exists for touch >>> screens at all, since I would've expected the same response as I myself got >>> when requesting more accessible menue updates for the Wii from Nintendo, >>> ---- there aren't enough visually impared people to make us money >>> developing it! >>> >>> So, all we can do is live with the workarounds, try and promote access, and >>> get what good use we can out of what is there. >>> >>> That's why I myself will be getting an Ipad or Iphone hopefully in the near >>> future. >>> >>> Beware the Grue! >>> >>> Dark. >>> >>> --- >>> Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >>> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >>> gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >>> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >>> http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >>> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. >>> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, >>> please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. >> >> --- >> Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >> gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >> http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. >> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, >> please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. 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