Hi Mike,
There are some things we need to complain about. I'm the sort of person who
won't take things lying down. If I'm not happy with something then I will
say it. A lot of people can just grin and bear it, but to me it's that sort
of attitude that continues to prove to big arrogant snobbish money grabbers
that blind people don't care either way. For example, there's a lot of
products that don't have any accessibility features on at all that I have
also rang the manufacturers and complained about. It's funny how I'm
apparently, quite often, the only one who has mentioned it. A lot of sighted
people even admit they don't think of blind people because they don't come
across us on a day-to-day basis. Whether they come across us or not, they
still know blindness exists, therefore they must know that blind people
exist. So why not think of them in some way, even if it's to talk to the
company they work for about making some changes that could help their blind
customer base, so to speak? To me that's awful. I think we should make a lot
more of a stand to turn the world around at least partially rather than
taking the sighted person's side all the time.
OK. So they've put screenreaders in the IPhone. Good start. But not everyone
can handle touch screens, and that's not just blind people.
Regards,
Damien.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Maslo" <mmaslo1...@swbell.net>
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] LWorks
I am so amazed when I read posts like this
We are blind and without us getting our sight back we will never be as or
on the same level
However feeling sorry for yourself or complaining helps how
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 22, 2012, at 7:54 AM, "dark" <d...@xgam.org> wrote:
I will agree with damien's point about access.
it is true that even a pc with the best screen reader is not of the same
level of access, ie, effortlessness as a sighted user would experience.
for example, I am right now checking my mails. I have to look at (ie
listen to supernova tell me), the title, subject, sender etc of each as I
arrow through them, deleting some, replying to others etc. A sighted user
could skim read all the mails on a page in a short space, and delete spam
or unnecessary mail very much more quickly using the mouse, simply by
virute of the screen overview.
So, access technology is not currently, even on the best system the equal
of what a sighted person does, and I expect the Iphone is in the same
catagory.
That being said, unfortunately there isn't a choice. As said with the
windows 7 debate, microsoft are going for inconvenient, flashy interfaces
with no way of changing their look or feel, simply because they are
motivated only by the acquisition of prophit and nothing else, however,
failing a massive change in world policy there's not much we can do about
this, other than try what workarounds are! available and try to promote
more access.
i'm in fact quite amazed any sort of screen reading exists for touch
screens at all, since I would've expected the same response as I myself
got when requesting more accessible menue updates for the Wii from
Nintendo, ---- there aren't enough visually impared people to make us
money developing it!
So, all we can do is live with the workarounds, try and promote access,
and get what good use we can out of what is there.
That's why I myself will be getting an Ipad or Iphone hopefully in the
near future.
Beware the Grue!
Dark.
---
Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org
If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to
gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org.
You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at
http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org.
All messages are archived and can be searched and read at
http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org.
If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the
list,
please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
---
Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org
If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to
gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org.
You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at
http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org.
All messages are archived and can be searched and read at
http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org.
If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the
list,
please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
---
Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org
If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org.
You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at
http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org.
All messages are archived and can be searched and read at
http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org.
If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list,
please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.