Hi Mike,
There are some things we need to complain about. I'm the sort of person who won't take things lying down. If I'm not happy with something then I will say it. A lot of people can just grin and bear it, but to me it's that sort of attitude that continues to prove to big arrogant snobbish money grabbers that blind people don't care either way. For example, there's a lot of products that don't have any accessibility features on at all that I have also rang the manufacturers and complained about. It's funny how I'm apparently, quite often, the only one who has mentioned it. A lot of sighted people even admit they don't think of blind people because they don't come across us on a day-to-day basis. Whether they come across us or not, they still know blindness exists, therefore they must know that blind people exist. So why not think of them in some way, even if it's to talk to the company they work for about making some changes that could help their blind customer base, so to speak? To me that's awful. I think we should make a lot more of a stand to turn the world around at least partially rather than taking the sighted person's side all the time. OK. So they've put screenreaders in the IPhone. Good start. But not everyone can handle touch screens, and that's not just blind people.
Regards,
Damien.


----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Maslo" <mmaslo1...@swbell.net>
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] LWorks


I am so amazed when I read posts like this

We are blind and without us getting our sight back we will never be as or on the same level

However feeling sorry for yourself or  complaining helps how

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On Apr 22, 2012, at 7:54 AM, "dark" <d...@xgam.org> wrote:

I will agree with damien's point about access.

it is true that even a pc with the best screen reader is not of the same level of access, ie, effortlessness as a sighted user would experience.

for example, I am right now checking my mails. I have to look at (ie listen to supernova tell me), the title, subject, sender etc of each as I arrow through them, deleting some, replying to others etc. A sighted user could skim read all the mails on a page in a short space, and delete spam or unnecessary mail very much more quickly using the mouse, simply by virute of the screen overview.

So, access technology is not currently, even on the best system the equal of what a sighted person does, and I expect the Iphone is in the same catagory.

That being said, unfortunately there isn't a choice. As said with the windows 7 debate, microsoft are going for inconvenient, flashy interfaces with no way of changing their look or feel, simply because they are motivated only by the acquisition of prophit and nothing else, however, failing a massive change in world policy there's not much we can do about this, other than try what workarounds are! available and try to promote more access.

i'm in fact quite amazed any sort of screen reading exists for touch screens at all, since I would've expected the same response as I myself got when requesting more accessible menue updates for the Wii from Nintendo, ---- there aren't enough visually impared people to make us money developing it!

So, all we can do is live with the workarounds, try and promote access, and get what good use we can out of what is there.

That's why I myself will be getting an Ipad or Iphone hopefully in the near future.

Beware the Grue!

Dark.

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