Apple rocks. Sorry but they do. What other manufacturer purposefully puts in accessibility from the ground up in their operating systems? Android hasn't, bb hasn't, nokia hasn't, yes nokia has a screen reader but it's not built into the phone. Nore has Microsoft.
Touch screens are a weird concept but they aren't as difficult as all that. -----Original Message----- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Damien Pendleton Sent: 22 April 2012 12:56 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] LWorks Hi Thomas, One blind guy did attempt to show me. In fact, if it hadn't been for him, I wouldn't have got my IPhone set up at all. But he had to spend over two hours on the phone setting the stupid thing up. Then when it was set up he tried to tell me what to do with it, and I was constantly getting it wrong. Then it ended up locking, and I couldn't get it unlocked. When I finally did, after about another half an hour, it took me ages to access things. Roughly five minutes to go from item to item trying to figure out how to activate it and see what was there. Over the next two weeks I was using it I'd had conversation after conversation with person after person after person who was trying their level best to tell me how to do something, and I still didn't get anywhere. I was scandalised, I felt like I was having to sit there like a four or five year old learning their alphabet. I couldn't even do something as simple as dial a phone number without sitting there for five minutes, and I couldn't access my phonebook at all. And due to past experiences with companies being inconsiderable or in some cases downright rude and disrespectful to disabled people, I believed that the IPhone was just another one of those. Sometimes I feel like sighted people rub their ability to see in our faces and laugh at us. And that's why I believed it to be a con. It almost feels like we get used to one method, then they see how well we cope with it, so they change it just to throw us off track again so they can tap around like there's no tomorrow and sit there and see us struggling for five or ten minutes to find an item trying to get used to the new interface. Again, I can see why it would be more convenient for sighted people. No scrolling, no highlighting or single/double clicking, just a single tap in a location on screen, and they've got what they want. And why not have that option available, but also keep traditional input methods in as well for people who might struggle with that. Regards, Damien. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Ward" <thomasward1...@gmail.com> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] LWorks > > Hi Damien, > > I understand the fact you don't like touchscreens very much, say you hate > them, but I'd like to know why you think Apple is conning the law. Aside > from yourself many blind users own and use iPhones with no problems at all > and as Cara pointed out on the list a few days ago there is more than > 1,400 blind users on the iPhone mailing list. That tells me contrary to > conning the law many blind users are quite happy with the level of > accessibility with their iPhones. > > I don't want to sound rude or condescending, but it sounds like because > you personally have problems using iPhones then you are effectively saying > the same is true for everyone else. That's not true. Its not a matter of > conquering the device, but simply learning from other blind users > techniques they use to access their iPhone. Perhaps if you had hands on > training from a fellow blind iPhone user you would be able to figure it > out by asking questions and having someone there to show you a better way > of doing this or that. Its like anything else. We learn through reading > tutorials or having hands on training if we just don't get it. > > Cheers! > > > > On 4/21/2012 1:25 PM, Damien Pendleton wrote: >> Hi Dark, If I were to go into my deepest thoughts about touch screen, >> I'd have to ban myself for profanity. Trust it to say, I hate them >> with a passion and think that adding voiceover to a touch screen >> device is just another corrupt twisted pro sighted business way of >> conning the law and getting away with discrimination. The fact that >> so many VI people have found a way to conquer that is rather >> impressive to me, and if that's the case, then so be it. But I think >> it's rather unnecessary to have to do that when the business itself >> should make more of an effort. Just because they don't know we exist, >> or choose to believe we don't exist, doesn't make us go away. And if >> companies continue to design things in their own eye happy way, in >> another twenty or thirty years it's probably unlikely we'd be able to >> use anything in the mainstream market and we'll be right back to >> square one with specially designed excessively expensive products and >> the like. That's only my opinion, I know tons of you won't agree, but >> this debate goes slightly away from games so I don't want this to >> turn into a full blown argument as to which is the best operating >> system to work with. That's me off my soapbox now. 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