Well, I can agree with that. I can at least highly respect Apple for taking the extra step and building accessibility into their devices. That said, I too am someone who struggles with spacial awareness. I think what it all comes down to is being able to accept that everyone is different, and not everyone can adapt to a completely new concept. As far as touch screens replacing keyboards on computers, I don't think that will happen any time in the conceivable future. On phones, unfortunately, I do see it as a looming problem on the horizon.
On 4/23/12, Darren Harris <darren_g_har...@btinternet.com> wrote: > Apple rocks. Sorry but they do. What other manufacturer purposefully puts in > accessibility from the ground up in their operating systems? Android hasn't, > bb hasn't, nokia hasn't, yes nokia has a screen reader but it's not built > into the phone. Nore has Microsoft. > > Touch screens are a weird concept but they aren't as difficult as all that. > > -----Original Message----- > From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On > Behalf Of Damien Pendleton > Sent: 22 April 2012 12:56 > To: Gamers Discussion list > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] LWorks > > Hi Thomas, > One blind guy did attempt to show me. In fact, if it hadn't been for him, I > wouldn't have got my IPhone set up at all. But he had to spend over two > hours on the phone setting the stupid thing up. Then when it was set up he > tried to tell me what to do with it, and I was constantly getting it wrong. > Then it ended up locking, and I couldn't get it unlocked. When I finally > did, after about another half an hour, it took me ages to access things. > Roughly five minutes to go from item to item trying to figure out how to > activate it and see what was there. Over the next two weeks I was using it > I'd had conversation after conversation with person after person after > person who was trying their level best to tell me how to do something, and I > > still didn't get anywhere. I was scandalised, I felt like I was having to > sit there like a four or five year old learning their alphabet. I couldn't > even do something as simple as dial a phone number without sitting there for > > five minutes, and I couldn't access my phonebook at all. And due to past > experiences with companies being inconsiderable or in some cases downright > rude and disrespectful to disabled people, I believed that the IPhone was > just another one of those. Sometimes I feel like sighted people rub their > ability to see in our faces and laugh at us. And that's why I believed it to > > be a con. It almost feels like we get used to one method, then they see how > well we cope with it, so they change it just to throw us off track again so > they can tap around like there's no tomorrow and sit there and see us > struggling for five or ten minutes to find an item trying to get used to the > > new interface. > Again, I can see why it would be more convenient for sighted people. No > scrolling, no highlighting or single/double clicking, just a single tap in a > > location on screen, and they've got what they want. And why not have that > option available, but also keep traditional input methods in as well for > people who might struggle with that. > Regards, > Damien. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thomas Ward" <thomasward1...@gmail.com> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org> > Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 12:31 PM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] LWorks > > >> >> Hi Damien, >> >> I understand the fact you don't like touchscreens very much, say you hate >> them, but I'd like to know why you think Apple is conning the law. Aside >> from yourself many blind users own and use iPhones with no problems at all > >> and as Cara pointed out on the list a few days ago there is more than >> 1,400 blind users on the iPhone mailing list. That tells me contrary to >> conning the law many blind users are quite happy with the level of >> accessibility with their iPhones. >> >> I don't want to sound rude or condescending, but it sounds like because >> you personally have problems using iPhones then you are effectively saying > >> the same is true for everyone else. That's not true. Its not a matter of >> conquering the device, but simply learning from other blind users >> techniques they use to access their iPhone. Perhaps if you had hands on >> training from a fellow blind iPhone user you would be able to figure it >> out by asking questions and having someone there to show you a better way >> of doing this or that. Its like anything else. We learn through reading >> tutorials or having hands on training if we just don't get it. >> >> Cheers! >> >> >> >> On 4/21/2012 1:25 PM, Damien Pendleton wrote: >>> Hi Dark, If I were to go into my deepest thoughts about touch screen, >>> I'd have to ban myself for profanity. Trust it to say, I hate them >>> with a passion and think that adding voiceover to a touch screen >>> device is just another corrupt twisted pro sighted business way of >>> conning the law and getting away with discrimination. The fact that >>> so many VI people have found a way to conquer that is rather >>> impressive to me, and if that's the case, then so be it. But I think >>> it's rather unnecessary to have to do that when the business itself >>> should make more of an effort. Just because they don't know we exist, >>> or choose to believe we don't exist, doesn't make us go away. And if >>> companies continue to design things in their own eye happy way, in >>> another twenty or thirty years it's probably unlikely we'd be able to >>> use anything in the mainstream market and we'll be right back to >>> square one with specially designed excessively expensive products and >>> the like. That's only my opinion, I know tons of you won't agree, but >>> this debate goes slightly away from games so I don't want this to >>> turn into a full blown argument as to which is the best operating >>> system to work with. That's me off my soapbox now. 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