On Dec 15, 2005, at 11:56 AM, Michael J Forster wrote: > On Thu, Dec 15, 2005 at 01:47:28PM -0500, Christopher Roach wrote: >> Here, here. I agree with Mike. The average user--be they newbie or >> seasoned lisper--needs a comprehensive website to go to for all of >> their information needs with an intuitive interface that is shared by >> all parts of the information repository. > > To sell the idea of Lisp in the enterprise as well. Running my own > company, I can ignore most of the Lisp hurdles we're discussing. > However, part of my business is to build applications for clients > and transfer enough of my knowledge to allow their development staff > to support and tweak the app over the long-term. > > I've managed to sell such apps written Python and PHP because I can > give my clients' developers a three day crash course in the language > and point them at *one* URL for all the libraries, tutorials, and > reference materials they need. These are reasonably competent > developers and quite capable of Googling and clicking links, but > that's not what their employers want to see them doing. If the > tools I use to build their apps don't provide a one-stop shopping > experience, I don't get to build their apps. > > >> I think it would be really great starting point to go ahead and >> compile a list of all the great resources for Lisp on the web right >> now and get in touch with each one to work out the details of >> combining them all into one exhaustive online resource. I believe >> that once we've got a good collection of the current resources >> already >> available, and a central website to link to them all (and >> hopefully to >> provide a common contribution envrionment--e.g., Wiki, submission >> to a >> standards group, whatever) it will be easier to see what needs to be >> finished, improved, tested, documented, etc. >> >> So, here is my idea for how we can really get this ball rolling: >> >> 1) Compile a list of all available, free, online resources for Lisp > > I think one person should compile and post an initial list of URLs > and one-line summaries, rather than everyone spraying their Google > hits for "lisp" at the mailing list. Then--in one thread--we can > all sift through, refine, and add to the list until we're satisfied. > > I'm willing to do this if no one else is. Peter?
You said the magic words: "I'm willing to do this". Go for it. To keep it simple, why don't you send to the mailing list a Lisp list of this form: '((:url "http://www.lispniks.com/cl-gardeners/"; :description "CL Gardeners project. Group devoted to improving the Common Lisp Landscape.") (:url "http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/"; :description "Practical Common Lisp, online version of the introduction to Common Lisp by Peter Seibel.") ...) Once things are in s-expressions the rest is easy. ;-) (For instance, I'll be able to take those and quickly generate some web pages to put on www.lispniks.com.) >> 2) Get the permision of each author to incorporate their site into a >> comprehensive online Lisp resource. > > I'll 'fess up to a slightly Borg mindset regarding 'incorporate'. > I think building a central directory of links--as you suggest and > as, I believe, Marc is offering to facilitate--is a great start. > In fact, I think it's the only practical way to get started. Yes. > However, long-term, I would really like to see a consolidation of > content > and code under one site. I think that's the barrier we have to > breach to avoid becoming yet another list of links. See my rant > above. Well, we'll get there when we get there. The key thing, for me anyway, is that CL Gardeners actually *do* some stuff, providing net new value before we go to the rest of the Lisp world saying, hey, you should let us have all your content so we can build the best Lisp site ever. -Peter -- Peter Seibel * [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gigamonkeys Consulting * http://www.gigamonkeys.com/ Practical Common Lisp * http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/ _______________________________________________ Gardeners mailing list [email protected] http://www.lispniks.com/mailman/listinfo/gardeners
