Peter Seibel wrote:
>On Dec 16, 2005, at 8:06 AM, josh giesbrecht wrote:
>
>
>
>>Hi all,
>>
>>One quick sanity check: where do we want information to end up? Is
>>the
>>ALU Wiki used primarily to give us a repository for brainstorming, or
>>are we putting more 'public' info there?
>>
>>
>
>Let me start by saying that I'm incredibly impressed with David Aue's
>work on the ALU wiki. It certainly brings home some of the strengths
>of wikis. However I also have some reservations about trying to do
>too much on a wiki. So let me explain what I understand the relation
>between the www.lispniks.com website, the ALU Wiki, and the Common
>Lisp Directory to be and how they all relate to the CL Gardener's
>project.
>
>* www.lispniks.com
>
>I expect www.lispniks.com to be the main home for information about
>CL Gardeners, what we're about, what projects we're working on, etc.
>I prefer to keep the public face of CL Gardeners on a traditional
>website because of my previously mentioned interest in the idea of
>editorial control. Which does not mean (in this case anyway ;-)) that
>I have any interest in exercising dictatorial editorial control--just
>that I want it to be controllable by somebody. I'm highly
>enthusiastic about the idea of people collaborating on pretty much
>all aspects of CLG and will work hard to make sure that folks who
>want to contribute can do so without a lot of hassle. For instance,
>as I've mentioned before, I plan to set up a subversion repository on
>www.lispniks.com which I'll use to manage the website's content and
>I'll be happy to give commit access to folks who want to do
>substantial work on the site.
>
>I also expect to host some of the products of CL Gardener's projects
>on www.lispniks.com. For instance, the FAQ will live there. This is
>again in order to maintain some editorial control and also because
>some kinds of information will be easier to present in an appealing
>way with the full power of HTML rather than the subset provided by a
>wiki.
>
>* The ALU Wiki
>
>The ALU Wiki on the other hand is an excellent place to do the kind
>of digesting that David has been doing of conversations that happen
>on the mailing list. Thus I think the ALU Wiki can be used as a tool
>for interested folks to collaboratively develop a proposal for a CLG
>project. I suspect these pages should have a short and standard
>lifecycle--someone creates the page and puts up a strawman proposal
>of what problem the project is aimed at solving.
>
As you speak of these things...
Certainly it sounds like a good place where Ideas about
the language standards/CLRFI can be discussed (what CY mentioned).
Lisp philosophy, directions, etc. Giving rise to projects...
... and some image is suggested...
information
(CLD)
/ \
/ \
(ALU)-----(CLG)
philosophy implemention
... ???
> Then other
>interested folks can refine the problem statement, add information
>relevant to the problem (such as the comparison of IDE's on the
>current Newbie Development Environment page), and come up with a plan
>of attack. When the project seems reasonably well defined the folks
>who want to work on it should send mail to the mailing list so the
>project can be added to the official CLG Projects page on
>www.lispniks.com and the ALU page can be deleted or kept as a shared
>notebook for the folks working on the project.
>
>
>
[...]
>* Back to the ALU Wiki and also the Common Lisp Directory
>
>Another relationship between the CLG and the ALU Wiki is that we can
>act as Wiki contributors and WikiGnomes on the ALU Wiki. That is, the
>greatest strength of a Wiki (in my experience) is when it is full of
>well-organized, interesting content. Since there is currently very
>little activity on the ALU Wiki it is sort of like a big grassy field
>ready for planting with maybe a few interesting wild flowers already
>growing in it that'd be worth keeping and building a garden around.
>Folks who are interested in researching various aspects of the Lisp
>world (e.g. what libraries are available to do X?) and writing about
>it should definitely consider contributing to the ALU Wiki. And if
>that takes off, hopefully the more experienced Lispers on this list
>will also take a look and do some WikiGnoming to keep things on an
>even technical keel. Certainly a vibrant and well-maintained Lisp
>wiki would be a pleasant addition to the Lisp landscape.
>
>Similarly, I see the Common Lisp Directory as a project that CL
>Gardeners may be interested in helping out with. I'm hoping Marc
>Battyani will write something about what kinds of things folks could
>help out with to make it a useful resource so we can see if it's
>something folks are interested in working on.
>
>Anyway, that's probably enough for now. Let me know what you think.
>
>-Peter
>
>
>
>
_______________________________________________
Gardeners mailing list
[email protected]
http://www.lispniks.com/mailman/listinfo/gardeners
