Nat Res Canada is supporting viessmann ?? Please clarify,
Greg Manning Canadian Gasifier Ltd. On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Decès-Petit, Cyrille < [email protected]> wrote: > You might add on your list: > http://www.viessmann.com/com/en/products/Wood_heating_systems.html > They have some commercial units in operation. > They also have an interesting stirling engine for micro-CHP, but so far NG > based only. > > Cyrille > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Tom Miles > Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 4:11 PM > To: 'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification'; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Gasification] 2 MWe Gasifier at University of British > Columbia, Vancouver, Canada > > Thomas > > Who are the likely small scale gasifier suppliers that will conquer these > challenges? > > A > Ankur Scientific, India http://www.ankurscientific.com/ > > B. > Babcock Volund, Denmark http://www.volund.dk/ > 3 gasifiers up to 2 MWe > > Biogen, Dominican Republic http://www.biogendr.com/app/en/frontpage.aspx > 300-500 kWe modules, Italy > C > CarboConsult, South Africa http://www.carboconsult.com/ > 250 kWe, Melanie, Gauteng, South Africa > > Carbona/Andritz, Finland > http://www.andritz.com/pp-gasification-andritz-carbona > 3 MWe plant in Skive, Denmark > > CleanStGas, Austria http://www.cleanstgas.com/ > 125-250 kWe/235-480 kWth > > Community Power Corporation www.gocpc.com > 50-75 kWe modules. > > E > EKZ, Switzerland www.ekz.ch > Turnkey wood gasifier installations > > G > Gasek, Finland www.gasek.fi > 50 kWe/100 kWth > > I > IISc, India and Licensees > > http://cgpl.iisc.ernet.in/site/Technologies/BiomassGasification/tabid/68/Def > ault.aspx > > > M > > MEVA Innovation AB, Sweden (fine wood fuels) http://www.mevainnovation.se/ > 1-10 MWe; 1.2 MWe in construction Horlax, Pitea > > Mothermik, Germany http://www.mothermik.com/engl/prod-1holzver-e.html > 10 plants.250 kWe > > N > Nexterra Ltd., Vancouver, Canada http://www.nexterra.ca/ > 2 MWe in construction. University of British Columbia > > R > Repotec, Austria http://www.repotec.at/index.php/homepage.html > Dual fluidized bed for CHP > > S > Satake, Japan (IISc, India technology) > http://www.satake-group.com/news/2008/080214.html > Up to 900 kWe modules > > Stirling DK, Denmark http://www.stirling.dk/ > 15-140 kWe, Updraft gasifier with stirling engine. > > T > TK Eenergi, Denmark http://www.tke.dk > 3 stage gasifier > U > Urbas Energietechnik, Austria http://www.rsbiomass.com/urbas_gas.html > 150 kWe/310 kWth fixed bed downdraft > > W > Weiss, Denmark, two stage gasification www.weiss-as.dk > 1-2 MWe > > X > Xylowatt, Belgium http://www.xylowatt.com/ > 350 kWe modules > > XyloPower AG, Switzerland www.xylopower.com > > > Which companies have 3 operating, commercial, gasifiers? > > Who else? > > Tom Miles > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Thomas Koch > Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 2:15 PM > To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Gasification] 2 MWe Gasifier at University of British > Columbia, Vancouver, Canada > > Tom > > I am sure this price level is achieveable - BUT BUT BUT - there is a major > challege that must be overcommed. > > You need some where you can have 5-10 similar gasifiers operating for 10 > of thousans of hours each with in reachable distance from their "parent (s)" > and this alone needs 50 - 100 mio $ on top of the market price for the > electricity - and it is possible to maintain a stable and bright and not > religious brain capacity for a decade or two. > > On top of that you need to start with a good idea and that is where most > principles fail. > And what does that mean? > Not too complex - with a potential to handle the challenges that will come > in an ECONOMICALLY COMPETITIVE way!!! > > Examples - Vølund - Nexterra - CFBs-Repotec and this type of gasifiers > will alvays have the challenge og tar/perticle gas handling issues - > personally I believe it is too complex to handle in a competitive way. > FCC - may be large scale - but catalyst and gasifier is a challenge > 2-3 stage - Viking - double feuer - TKE - and the likes have high > temperature challenges and reduction challenges and bed stability issues - > variation in gaspermeability etc Stirling show a large drop in efficiency > if upscaled above 50-75 kW thus the biomass handling systems becomes very > small and sensitive. > Entrained flow are very big and needs extensive pretreatment of the fuel. > > Many things will work for some time if nursed properly by the enthusiastic > developers. > > Thomas > > > > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] På vegne af Tom > Miles > Sendt: 25. juni 2012 22:51 > Til: 'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification'; [email protected] > Emne: Re: [Gasification] 2 MWe Gasifier at University of British Columbia, > Vancouver, Canada > > Thomas, > > You seem to be the bearer of good news. > > Can you deliver a (3 stage) gasifier(s) to deliver 2 MWe to a grid in > Alaska? What would you expect the capital and operating costs to be? > > We have a few small communities with electrical loads of 1-2 MWe. Power is > currently supplied from diesel generators for USD $0.44-$0.65/kWh. Good > clean wood chips are available at $40-50% MC and $USD 85-100/dry ton. #2 > heating oil costs about $4.40 or about $32/MMBtu (HHV). Most communities > just want to produce power. Heat distribution does not exist but they could > probably sell heat in a small loop for about $20/MMBtu. Is there a future > for gasification in these communities? > > Thanks > > Tom Miles > > > _______________________________________________ > Gasification mailing list > > to Send a Message to the list, use the email address > [email protected] > > to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page > http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenerg > ylists.org > > for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site: > http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Gasification mailing list > > to Send a Message to the list, use the email address > [email protected] > > to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page > http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenerg > ylists.org > > for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site: > http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gasification mailing list > > to Send a Message to the list, use the email address > [email protected] > > to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page > http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org > > for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site: > http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Gasification mailing list > > to Send a Message to the list, use the email address > [email protected] > > to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page > > http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org > > for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site: > http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/ >
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