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Regards
Naval
On 6/26/2012 7:31 AM, Mark Ludlow wrote:
Nice!
*From:*[email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of
*jim mason
*Sent:* Monday, June 25, 2012 4:24 PM
*To:* Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification
*Subject:* Re: [Gasification] 2 MWe Gasifier at University of British
Columbia, Vancouver, Canada
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Tom Miles <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Thomas
Who are the likely small scale gasifier suppliers that will conquer these
challenges?
tom,
you might want to add us to this list. we're out this week setting up
the first 100kw powertainer at the university of minnesota morris.
first day looks like this:
http://gekgasifier.com/wpgallery/powertainer-at-university-of-minnesota-morris/
this is not a commercial unit yet. it is the first prototype. it
will likely break 100 ways and humble its makers 100 more ways before
it is really done. but it demos how you can compact and integrate the
full system of gasifier, engine and fuel hopper within a standard 20'
shipping container.
there is an opening this thursday on site if any want to come and
visit. i'll send more info this eve.
jim
A
Ankur Scientific, India http://www.ankurscientific.com/
B.
Babcock Volund, Denmark http://www.volund.dk/
3 gasifiers up to 2 MWe
Biogen, Dominican Republic
http://www.biogendr.com/app/en/frontpage.aspx
300-500 kWe modules, Italy
C
CarboConsult, South Africa http://www.carboconsult.com/
250 kWe, Melanie, Gauteng, South Africa
Carbona/Andritz, Finland
http://www.andritz.com/pp-gasification-andritz-carbona
3 MWe plant in Skive, Denmark
CleanStGas, Austria http://www.cleanstgas.com/
125-250 kWe/235-480 kWth
Community Power Corporation www.gocpc.com <http://www.gocpc.com>
50-75 kWe modules.
E
EKZ, Switzerland www.ekz.ch <http://www.ekz.ch>
Turnkey wood gasifier installations
G
Gasek, Finland www.gasek.fi <http://www.gasek.fi>
50 kWe/100 kWth
I
IISc, India and Licensees
http://cgpl.iisc.ernet.in/site/Technologies/BiomassGasification/tabid/68/Def
ault.aspx
M
MEVA Innovation AB, Sweden (fine wood fuels)
http://www.mevainnovation.se/
1-10 MWe; 1.2 MWe in construction Horlax, Pitea
Mothermik, Germany http://www.mothermik.com/engl/prod-1holzver-e.html
10 plants.250 kWe
N
Nexterra Ltd., Vancouver, Canada http://www.nexterra.ca/
2 MWe in construction. University of British Columbia
R
Repotec, Austria http://www.repotec.at/index.php/homepage.html
Dual fluidized bed for CHP
S
Satake, Japan (IISc, India technology)
http://www.satake-group.com/news/2008/080214.html
Up to 900 kWe modules
Stirling DK, Denmark http://www.stirling.dk/
15-140 kWe, Updraft gasifier with stirling engine.
T
TK Eenergi, Denmark http://www.tke.dk
3 stage gasifier
U
Urbas Energietechnik, Austria http://www.rsbiomass.com/urbas_gas.html
150 kWe/310 kWth fixed bed downdraft
W
Weiss, Denmark, two stage gasification www.weiss-as.dk
<http://www.weiss-as.dk>
1-2 MWe
X
Xylowatt, Belgium http://www.xylowatt.com/
350 kWe modules
XyloPower AG, Switzerland www.xylopower.com <http://www.xylopower.com>
Which companies have 3 operating, commercial, gasifiers?
Who else?
Tom Miles
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Koch
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 2:15 PM
To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification;
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Subject: Re: [Gasification] 2 MWe Gasifier at University of British
Columbia, Vancouver, Canada
Tom
I am sure this price level is achieveable - BUT BUT BUT - there is
a major
challege that must be overcommed.
You need some where you can have 5-10 similar gasifiers operating
for 10 of
thousans of hours each with in reachable distance from their
"parent (s)"
and this alone needs 50 - 100 mio $ on top of the market price for the
electricity - and it is possible to maintain a stable and bright
and not
religious brain capacity for a decade or two.
On top of that you need to start with a good idea and that is
where most
principles fail.
And what does that mean?
Not too complex - with a potential to handle the challenges that
will come
in an ECONOMICALLY COMPETITIVE way!!!
Examples - Vølund - Nexterra - CFBs-Repotec and this type of
gasifiers will
alvays have the challenge og tar/perticle gas handling issues -
personally I
believe it is too complex to handle in a competitive way.
FCC - may be large scale - but catalyst and gasifier is a challenge
2-3 stage - Viking - double feuer - TKE - and the likes have high
temperature challenges and reduction challenges and bed stability
issues -
variation in gaspermeability etc Stirling show a large drop in
efficiency if
upscaled above 50-75 kW thus the biomass handling systems becomes
very small
and sensitive.
Entrained flow are very big and needs extensive pretreatment of
the fuel.
Many things will work for some time if nursed properly by the
enthusiastic
developers.
Thomas
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Emne: Re: [Gasification] 2 MWe Gasifier at University of British
Columbia,
Vancouver, Canada
Thomas,
You seem to be the bearer of good news.
Can you deliver a (3 stage) gasifier(s) to deliver 2 MWe to a grid in
Alaska? What would you expect the capital and operating costs to be?
We have a few small communities with electrical loads of 1-2 MWe.
Power is
currently supplied from diesel generators for USD $0.44-$0.65/kWh.
Good
clean wood chips are available at $40-50% MC and $USD 85-100/dry
ton. #2
heating oil costs about $4.40 or about $32/MMBtu (HHV). Most
communities
just want to produce power. Heat distribution does not exist but
they could
probably sell heat in a small loop for about $20/MMBtu. Is there a
future
for gasification in these communities?
Thanks
Tom Miles
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