On Fri, 2020-04-24 at 22:01 +0200, Martin Jambor wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Fri, Apr 24 2020, Segher Boessenkool wrote:
> > Hi!
> > 
> > On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 05:48:38PM +0200, Thomas Koenig wrote:
> > > > Of course, better would be to remove ChangeLogs entirely (including not
> > > > putting anything like them into a commit message), because they are
> > > > largely not useful and are just make-work.
> > > 
> > > I disagree. I find them quite useful.
> > 
> > For what?  And, can that be provided some other way?
> 
> I often have a look at them when reviewing a patch.  It is great when
> they clearly indicate whether a change is some form of restructuring or
> a functional change and broadly speaking what it is.  Then I just know
> what to look for.
> 
> I also find writing them useful as it forces me to go through every
> patch one last time before submitting it :-) If you spend some time
> configuring your text editor and git, the boilerplate stuff can be
> generated automatically.
Agreed on all the points above.  I can't count how many patches I've written
through the years, then got to the ChangeLog step and realized that further work
was needed.

> 
> I do not think this can be provided in any other way that would not
> resemble a ChangeLog.  I do support the effort to put them into commit
> messages only though (and then perhaps generate the files from that).
That's where I lean as well.  I could also live with the ChangeLog being
generated by a commit hook and the like.  Ultimately it's the manual steps in
applying patches that I want to eliminate from our workflows and the ChangeLog
file consistently results in the need for manual intervention.

jeff

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