Hi all.
I never claimed to be associated with Geb or Spock. So if Marcin and
others believe that my direct tone of communication sheds a bad light
upon the project I like so much, I can only apologise and further
relieve everyone of my presence here by opting out of the mailing list.
I hope this makes life for all of you a bit easier and more fun.
It was my pleasure to try and answer questions on StackOverflow and
sometimes here. I helped whenever I could but also never tried to hide
my disappointment about IMO lazy people who want others to do all the
work for them by e.g.
-- asking questions easily answered by just trying. Often people spend
more time writing the question than it would have taken to just
try.
-- writing questions in a way nobody can answer in any opther way than
by wild speculation because they only contain unclear prose or
incoherent snippets of code which do not help to reproduice their
problems.
I want to make it very clear that I like to help others. I am not even a
professional developer, but if I could help I did. What I do not like is
not missing knowledge but a certain style of asking questions which
shows lack of effort. IMO this is extremely rude and disrespectful
towards the people you hope to get help from, thus my sometimes snappy
(rude) replies.
No, I don't want to be nice to lazy and disrespectful people. I choose
to treat them like I feel treated by them. I am fully aware of the fact
that many people have a problem with that way of "tit for tat", but this
is my communication style. If you look at my answers on SO - be it about
Geb, Spock or AspectJ - you will find that I go to great lengths in
order to provide comprehensive answers. I put a lot of time and effort
into them. Someone who genuinely does not know and can show me code or
otherwise explain what his problem is after trying to find a solution by
himself first, earns my respect and I will try to help. What I am not,
though, is the "good uncle" who is apologetic or even just ignorant of
questions which I think do not belong onto a mailing list or a forum
like SO.
Whoever wants to have the last word now, may have it.
Best regards
--
Alexander Kriegisch
https://scrum-master.de
Marcin Erdmann schrieb am 12.10.2019 19:30 (GMT +02:00):
>
> Hi Marc,
>
>
> Thanks for your email. I agree that Alexander has a tendency to be rude
> and to reply in condescending or hostile manner not only on this mailing
> list but also on Stack Overflow as you've noticed. One thing I'd like to
> make clear is that Alexander is by no way associated with the project and
> that I personally condemn responding to people's questions this way. As
> far as I remember, I have tried privately suggesting to Alexander in the
> past that his style is not appreciated and puts him in bad light but
> apparently my well intended advice has been ignored. In my opinion, if you
> believe that the person asking the question did not put enough effort
> before asking it then it's best to just ignore it instead of sending
> emails like this.
>
> To answer Ben's original question (hopefully he's still following this
> thread even after how he's been treated) - Geb is a browser automation
> framework and not a testing framework therefore it's not its
> responsibility to generate JUnit XML reports. That responsibility lays
> with whatever tool (Gradle, Maven or Ant, just to name a couple) is used
> to run the tests (written using a test framework like JUnit, Spock or
> TestNG) which are using Geb to drive a browser.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Marcin
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 4:04 PM Marc <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:
>
>>
>> I am a lurker here and get a ton of good information and helpful tips
>> from this mailing list. However, I regularly notice that Alexander is
>> rude and often replies towards people in a condescending or hostile
>> manner. It isn't just here either as I see it on StackOverflow on
>> occasion. It's not a good look when I can read a reply and guess who it
>> is based off the tone of the reply.
>>
>>
>> Geb is an awesome framework that not many know about in my experience. I
>> try to share it with whomever I can as a test automation solution here in
>> America. While the documentation is very good and well worth a complete
>> read-through, people shouldn't have to be afraid to come and ask
>> questions only to get called out or receive rude replies. Isn't the point
>> of this mailing list a place to ask questions and receive updates
>> regarding the framework? So he might have asked a few basic questions
>> that may or may not be in the documentation, so what? Many of us here
>> were QA first and automation developers second. Not all of us are
>> full-stack developers and we learn enough to get us by.
>>
>>
>> Let's please be a welcome community and offer help to those who ask. We
>> want people to use this framework. I want people to use this framework.
>> People aren't going to want to use it if they learn that asking questions
>> might get them yelled at.
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, October 12, 2019 at 2:57:06 AM UTC-5, Alexander Kriegisch
>> wrote:
>>> You clearly have not read the relevant parts of the documentation (BTW,
>>> how do you decide what is relevant before knowing anything about a new
>>> tool?) and I am not sure if you even tried to run tests via Gradle or
>>> Maven before asking your question. Maybe you could just try first next
>>> time and then start asking questions if you encounter any problems
>>> instead of doing feature checks on a mailing list because you are too
>>> lazy to try.
>>>
>>> BTW, are you aware of the fact that you can download a ZIP archive of
>>> any branch, tag or commit you navigate to from GitHub? No need to clone.
>>> No need for lame excuses either, excuse my French. You are a developer,
>>> behave like one.
>>> --
>>> Alexander Kriegisch
>>> https://scrum-master.de
>>>
>>>
>>> Ben Frey schrieb am 12.10.2019 02:57 (GMT +02:00):
>>> >
>>> > I am a new user, and I do read (the relevant parts of) the
>>> documentation
>>> > before asking a question here. Unfortunately, I am not able to pull
>>> from
>>> > external sites at work, so forking a project to play with isn't
>>> possible.
>>> >
>>> > On Friday, October 11, 2019 at 11:49:54 PM UTC, Trinidad Esparza
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Ben,
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> I notice you are a new user, I recommend you to read all the
>>> >> documentation <https://gebish.org/manual/current/> and
>>> >> also you can fork the example projects to get started.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> https://github.com/geb/geb-
>>> >> <https://github.com/geb/geb-example-maven>
>>> example-maven
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> https://github.com/geb/geb-
>>> >> <https://github.com/geb/geb-example-gradle>
>>> example-gradle
>>> >>
>>> >> https://github.com/geb/geb-
>>> >> <https://github.com/geb/geb-example-cucumber-jvm>
>>> >> example-cucumber-jvm
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Hopefully, this helps!
>>> >>
>>> >>
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