Marc and Marcin, thanks for reassuring me that I hadn't lost my mind! My learning style is to read enough of the documentation to get started, then refer back to it when I get stuck. If I can't find the answer there, then I try to find someone to ask. In this case, I knew that I was running with Spock (which I knew used JUnit under the hood), but I had no idea that Gradle automatically generates XML reports. I feel that the matter is somewhat confused because the documentation *does* discuss reporting, so I assumed that it was self-contained and I was missing some configuration aspect. I realize after re-reading the relevant section (and the answers here) that Geb controls only the browser, so only reports the state of that, not of any tests that used Geb. Thanks for the clarifications, folks.
On Saturday, October 12, 2019 at 8:32:44 PM UTC, Marc wrote: > > Honestly this is just a childish response in my opinion. You are running > away with your tail tucked because nobody likes the way you treat other > people. Instead of taking a look at yourself and saying "Perhaps there is > a problem that lies with me" you instead say "No, it's the others who are > wrong!" We can all be a helpful part of this community. If you don't like > the way someone asks a question, then just ignore it. There is nothing > requiring your response. > > If you choose to leave because "this is just the way I am and I am not > changing for anybody!" then I think this community will be better. > > If you choose to stay and help the community by providing helpful answers > in a more mature manner then this community will also be better. > > There is nothing wrong with treating people nicely, regardless of how you > perceive them. > > On Saturday, October 12, 2019 at 2:57:10 PM UTC-5, Alexander Kriegisch > wrote: >> >> Hi all. >> >> I never claimed to be associated with Geb or Spock. So if Marcin and >> others believe that my direct tone of communication sheds a bad light >> upon the project I like so much, I can only apologise and further >> relieve everyone of my presence here by opting out of the mailing list. >> I hope this makes life for all of you a bit easier and more fun. >> >> It was my pleasure to try and answer questions on StackOverflow and >> sometimes here. I helped whenever I could but also never tried to hide >> my disappointment about IMO lazy people who want others to do all the >> work for them by e.g. >> >> -- asking questions easily answered by just trying. Often people spend >> more time writing the question than it would have taken to just >> try. >> >> -- writing questions in a way nobody can answer in any opther way than >> by wild speculation because they only contain unclear prose or >> incoherent snippets of code which do not help to reproduice their >> problems. >> >> I want to make it very clear that I like to help others. I am not even a >> professional developer, but if I could help I did. What I do not like is >> not missing knowledge but a certain style of asking questions which >> shows lack of effort. IMO this is extremely rude and disrespectful >> towards the people you hope to get help from, thus my sometimes snappy >> (rude) replies. >> >> No, I don't want to be nice to lazy and disrespectful people. I choose >> to treat them like I feel treated by them. I am fully aware of the fact >> that many people have a problem with that way of "tit for tat", but this >> is my communication style. If you look at my answers on SO - be it about >> Geb, Spock or AspectJ - you will find that I go to great lengths in >> order to provide comprehensive answers. I put a lot of time and effort >> into them. Someone who genuinely does not know and can show me code or >> otherwise explain what his problem is after trying to find a solution by >> himself first, earns my respect and I will try to help. What I am not, >> though, is the "good uncle" who is apologetic or even just ignorant of >> questions which I think do not belong onto a mailing list or a forum >> like SO. >> >> Whoever wants to have the last word now, may have it. >> >> Best regards >> -- >> Alexander Kriegisch >> https://scrum-master.de >> >> >> Marcin Erdmann schrieb am 12.10.2019 19:30 (GMT +02:00): >> > >> > Hi Marc, >> > >> > >> > Thanks for your email. I agree that Alexander has a tendency to be rude >> > and to reply in condescending or hostile manner not only on this >> mailing >> > list but also on Stack Overflow as you've noticed. One thing I'd like >> to >> > make clear is that Alexander is by no way associated with the project >> and >> > that I personally condemn responding to people's questions this way. As >> > far as I remember, I have tried privately suggesting to Alexander in >> the >> > past that his style is not appreciated and puts him in bad light but >> > apparently my well intended advice has been ignored. In my opinion, if >> you >> > believe that the person asking the question did not put enough effort >> > before asking it then it's best to just ignore it instead of sending >> > emails like this. >> > >> > To answer Ben's original question (hopefully he's still following this >> > thread even after how he's been treated) - Geb is a browser automation >> > framework and not a testing framework therefore it's not its >> > responsibility to generate JUnit XML reports. That responsibility lays >> > with whatever tool (Gradle, Maven or Ant, just to name a couple) is >> used >> > to run the tests (written using a test framework like JUnit, Spock or >> > TestNG) which are using Geb to drive a browser. >> > >> > >> > Cheers, >> > >> > Marcin >> > >> > >> > On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 4:04 PM Marc <[email protected] >> > <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> I am a lurker here and get a ton of good information and helpful tips >> >> from this mailing list. However, I regularly notice that Alexander is >> >> rude and often replies towards people in a condescending or hostile >> >> manner. It isn't just here either as I see it on StackOverflow on >> >> occasion. It's not a good look when I can read a reply and guess who >> it >> >> is based off the tone of the reply. >> >> >> >> >> >> Geb is an awesome framework that not many know about in my experience. >> I >> >> try to share it with whomever I can as a test automation solution here >> in >> >> America. While the documentation is very good and well worth a >> complete >> >> read-through, people shouldn't have to be afraid to come and ask >> >> questions only to get called out or receive rude replies. Isn't the >> point >> >> of this mailing list a place to ask questions and receive updates >> >> regarding the framework? So he might have asked a few basic questions >> >> that may or may not be in the documentation, so what? Many of us here >> >> were QA first and automation developers second. Not all of us are >> >> full-stack developers and we learn enough to get us by. >> >> >> >> >> >> Let's please be a welcome community and offer help to those who ask. >> We >> >> want people to use this framework. I want people to use this >> framework. >> >> People aren't going to want to use it if they learn that asking >> questions >> >> might get them yelled at. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Saturday, October 12, 2019 at 2:57:06 AM UTC-5, Alexander Kriegisch >> >> wrote: >> >>> You clearly have not read the relevant parts of the documentation >> (BTW, >> >>> how do you decide what is relevant before knowing anything about a >> new >> >>> tool?) and I am not sure if you even tried to run tests via Gradle or >> >>> Maven before asking your question. Maybe you could just try first >> next >> >>> time and then start asking questions if you encounter any problems >> >>> instead of doing feature checks on a mailing list because you are too >> >>> lazy to try. >> >>> >> >>> BTW, are you aware of the fact that you can download a ZIP archive of >> >>> any branch, tag or commit you navigate to from GitHub? No need to >> clone. >> >>> No need for lame excuses either, excuse my French. You are a >> developer, >> >>> behave like one. >> >>> -- >> >>> Alexander Kriegisch >> >>> https://scrum-master.de >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Ben Frey schrieb am 12.10.2019 02:57 (GMT +02:00): >> >>> > >> >>> > I am a new user, and I do read (the relevant parts of) the >> >>> documentation >> >>> > before asking a question here. Unfortunately, I am not able to pull >> >>> from >> >>> > external sites at work, so forking a project to play with isn't >> >>> possible. >> >>> > >> >>> > On Friday, October 11, 2019 at 11:49:54 PM UTC, Trinidad Esparza >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Ben, >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> I notice you are a new user, I recommend you to read all the >> >>> >> documentation <https://gebish.org/manual/current/> and >> >>> >> also you can fork the example projects to get started. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> https://github.com/geb/geb- >> >>> >> <https://github.com/geb/geb-example-maven> >> >>> example-maven >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> https://github.com/geb/geb- >> >>> >> <https://github.com/geb/geb-example-gradle> >> >>> example-gradle >> >>> >> >> >>> >> https://github.com/geb/geb- >> >>> >> <https://github.com/geb/geb-example-cucumber-jvm> >> >>> >> example-cucumber-jvm >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Hopefully, this helps! >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> > -- >> >>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> >>> Groups >> >>> > "Geb User Mailing List" group. >> >>> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >> send >> >>> an >> >>> > email to [email protected] >> >>> > <mailto:[email protected]> . >> >>> > To view this discussion on the web visit >> >>> > >> >>> >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/geb-user/5fd91833-7c58-4b59-b056-423a95c18e53%40googlegroups.com >> >> >>> > >> >>> < >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/geb-user/5fd91833-7c58-4b59-b056-423a95c18e53%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> >> >> >>> > . >> >>> >> >>> >> >> -- >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups >> >> "Geb User Mailing List" group. >> >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> an >> >> email to [email protected] >> >> <mailto:[email protected]> . >> >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> >> >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/geb-user/046792c4-a5f9-452d-b5b5-a6b25186e4cb%40googlegroups.com >> >> >> < >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/geb-user/046792c4-a5f9-452d-b5b5-a6b25186e4cb%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> >> >> >> . >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups >> > "Geb User Mailing List" group. >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> an >> > email to [email protected] >> > <mailto:[email protected]> . >> > To view this discussion on the web visit >> > >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/geb-user/CA%2B52dQSdWVSx9FUYzKVFqXOytV0Jiq%2BmDOw%2BDf3hDtemuDfFBg%40mail.gmail.com >> >> > < >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/geb-user/CA%2B52dQSdWVSx9FUYzKVFqXOytV0Jiq%2BmDOw%2BDf3hDtemuDfFBg%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> >> >> > . >> >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Geb User Mailing List" group. 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