We are not trying to fix gender gap here (here means: WWCamp ) Emijrp. _____ *Béria Lima* Wikimedia Portugal <http://wikimedia.pt> (351) 963 953 042
*Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. <http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos>* On 1 February 2012 18:03, emijrp <emi...@gmail.com> wrote: > 2012/2/1 Béria Lima <beria.l...@wikimedia.pt> > >> I can't answer for her, but I believe she was only gathering data. Since >> she isn't Brazilian or Indian or Dutch, maybe might be difficult for her to >> know what is excatly relevant or not. >> >> > The problem here is that you musn't try to fix a bias or imbalance (in > this case: gender gap) when you don't understand the problem features and > the details of every human group. > > >> I put in my list correct Brazil's and Portugal's entry, but I still >> didn't find time to do so, but please - If anyone has the time, do it for >> your country (and for mine if you have spare time) :-) >> _____ >> *Béria Lima* >> Wikimedia Portugal <http://wikimedia.pt> >> (351) 963 953 042 >> >> *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter >> livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a >> construir esse sonho. <http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos>* >> >> >> On 1 February 2012 13:51, Risker <risker...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I suspect people have been hesitant to remove the information because >>> it's not clear why it was added in the first place; on the whole, >>> Wikimedians are content collectors rather than content removers, unless >>> they are very comfortable that the information being removed is of no >>> significant value or is actively harmful. >>> >>> Having a quick glance, I see comments like "no women were elected to >>> Arbcom" for projects that don't have Arbcoms, and references to no women on >>> projects that don't exist for that language group. >>> >>> As the majority of the data was completed by Laura (thanks for all your >>> research!), perhaps she could help the list to understand what the >>> intention was in including some of this information. >>> >>> Risker/Anne >>> >>> Risker/Anne >>> >>> >>> On 1 February 2012 10:41, Béria Lima <beria.l...@wikimedia.pt> wrote: >>> >>>> Again, I would like to point that meta is a wiki and all of us have >>>> usernames there. So I would suggest all of you to *be bold *and >>>> correct what is not correct in your opinion. >>>> _____ >>>> *Béria Lima* >>>> Wikimedia Portugal <http://wikimedia.pt> >>>> (351) 963 953 042 >>>> >>>> *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter >>>> livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a >>>> construir esse sonho. <http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos>* >>>> >>>> >>>> On 1 February 2012 13:18, Sarah Stierch <sarah.stie...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Laura - Thanks for asking for more contributions. I was wondering >>>>> what was going on, since the project has seemed a bit quiet lately! Glad >>>>> to >>>>> know it's catching steam again. I made some edits a few months ago to the >>>>> US section. (See comments below) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 2/1/12 5:18 AM, Lodewijk wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Perhaps it would be helpful if you could add some explanation why you >>>>> are collecting this information, what you want to make clear. Because as I >>>>> explained before to you privately (and I see nothing has changed) at least >>>>> for the Netherlands the stats that have been put up are almost hilarious. >>>>> Lots of percentages, but every Dutch person will be able to tell you that >>>>> many of them are of no meaning (Ripuarian is not a language spoken at any >>>>> significant level in the Netherlands, Zealandic is considered mainly a >>>>> dialect and has 1 admin, of course there are no Dutch women in the enwiki >>>>> arbcom, because to my best knowledge there are no Dutch people in there at >>>>> all at this moment, and I would wonder why there are no Dutch female >>>>> admins >>>>> on the Portuguese Wikinews...) I am not sure if it is just me, but reading >>>>> this page ( >>>>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiWomenCamp/FAQ/Perspectives/Netherlands >>>>> ) >>>>> I would almost think that this is a parody of something - I can't tell if >>>>> it is the same in other countries. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I've also been highly confused by these statistics. It confused me so >>>>> much that I acted boldy and removed them from the United States section. >>>>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiWomenCamp/FAQ/Perspectives#United_States >>>>> When I started to see information on how there were no Portuguese women >>>>> involved in Algerian Wikipedia I was like "why would there be? and is this >>>>> information here?" >>>>> >>>>> I rewrote the majority of the section to just discuss women's roles in >>>>> the United States - at WMF, as fellows, as researchers, as Wikimedians and >>>>> active editors, etc. I created a list of people who are active US >>>>> Wikimedians who are known to be women (didn't want to make assumptions >>>>> about anyone) and some of the cool things they've been doing. Of course, >>>>> these are limited to people I know, so I hope others are added (as someone >>>>> did me). I also removed the "US related on Wikipedia" in regards to the >>>>> subject matter (which was added back). I wasn't really sure why netball >>>>> would be featured because it's not popular in America at all, so to me it >>>>> doesn't really tell us anything, but it's not popular. Same with roller >>>>> derby. (But other women's sports aren't discussed?) So I guess if someone >>>>> has interest in discussing American women's sports, this area has room for >>>>> expansion, or IMHO removal. And the list of popular biographies makes >>>>> sense >>>>> - Amy Winehouse died when this data was retrieved and I'm sure her >>>>> popularity has been replaced. And it's no surprise that "someone from >>>>> Barbados" is in the top 10 - it's Rhianna, and same for Nicki Minaj (two >>>>> of >>>>> the most famous pop stars in the world, at least in the US.) I just >>>>> don't' >>>>> think this shows much about women who contribute to Wikipedia except that >>>>> people of all genders like reading articles about pop stars and media >>>>> frenzies. >>>>> >>>>> I'm more curious about how women are active and what women are doing. >>>>> Who are planning events, have those been successes? Are people being hired >>>>> by Wiki companies? (Not just Wikimedia.) What is participation like >>>>> regarding women and other Wiki websites? (This conference is about that >>>>> right, not just Wikimedia?). Sadly I can't gather data on those, nor do I >>>>> know how, but it would be cool to know what the most popular Wiki's are >>>>> for >>>>> women and so forth. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I am sure your intentions are good though, so perhaps it would be >>>>> helpful to state somewhere what kind of information you're looking for >>>>> that >>>>> is *really* informative, and get rid of the non-relevant parts? I would >>>>> say >>>>> that the semi-automated adding of information isn't exactly helpful in at >>>>> least the Dutch case - again, I can't vouch for other countries. Some >>>>> information *is* interesting (interest ratios on Facebook or other >>>>> external >>>>> websites) and it would be a waste if that gets discarded because of the >>>>> irrelevance of the rest of the page. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> +1. I think this has really cool potential to focus on "original >>>>> research" - just knowing who is doing what and sharing that information. I >>>>> took the time on the US section to not only celebrate who is doing what, >>>>> but, opportunities that women have been given in the movement in the US. I >>>>> wanted people to see what women were doing in the United States, not what >>>>> they *aren't* doing. We already know the statistics are depressing >>>>> about women's participating - so what are women doing to change that or to >>>>> be a part of that? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks Lodewijk and Srikanth for sharing your thoughts! I was >>>>> beginning to think I was the only person who had these thoughts! >>>>> >>>>> And thanks Laura for spearheading a unique and interesting opportunity >>>>> to learn more about women around the world in the community. I hope people >>>>> be bold and participate! >>>>> >>>>> Sarah >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> *Sarah Stierch* >>>>> *Wikimedia Foundation Community Fellow* >>>>> >>Support the sharing of free knowledge around the world: donate >>>>> >>today<https://donate.wikimedia.org/> >>>>> << >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Gendergap mailing list >>>>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Gendergap mailing list >>>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Gendergap mailing list >>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gendergap mailing list >> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > >
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