With my mod hat on, Neotarf, please cease the "you could"'s here. Further
hypotheticals will get you modded.

Thanks,

-Leigh

On Monday, December 22, 2014, Neotarf <neot...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Is Samira Salih al-Nuaimi notable?
>
> Just looking for an example of an article about someone notable for only
> one event, here is an article on the Death of Ian Tomlinson, a newspaper
> vendor who died during a London protest. Tomlinson's piece has been a
> featured article, and as far as I know, no one has ever challenged his
> notability.
>
> Tomlinson article:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Ian_Tomlinson
> BLP policy--people notable for only one event:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_%28people%29#People_notable_for_only_one_event
>
> Al-Nuaimi seems to be much more notable than that.  The UN and the US
> government have both issued official statements about al-Nuaimi's death.
> The UN statement calls her a "well-known human rights lawyer and
> activist".
>
> http://reliefweb.int/report/iraq/un-envoy-condemns-public-execution-human-rights-lawyer-ms-sameera-al-nuaimy-enar
>
> This NZ piece has more detail about the statements issued by UN officials,
> apparently al-Nuaimi was running for office on the provincial council as
> well. There is more detail about two other female politicians killed or
> kidnapped, as well as five female political activists killed in Mosul, but
> no other names.
> http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/middle-east/61509820/un-activist-publicly-executed-by-islamic-state.html
>
> And if you can get into some of the Arabic language sources, there is more
> nuance: you can see there were statements issued by two different UN
> officials, a statement issued by Prince Zeid Ra'ad Al Husssein, the High
> Commissioner for Human rights, in a statement issued by the UNHCR in Geneva
> and New York, and a statement by the Special Representative of the
> Secretary-General of the United Nations in Iraq, Nikolay Mladenov.
>
> http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ar&u=http://www.elaph.com/Web/News/2014/9/943993.html&prev=search
>
> A google search for her name in Arabic turns up 138,000 results. Although
> Google results numbers are highly inaccurate, you can see at a glance from
> the URL's, this is not just a local personality, it has been widely
> reported across the Arabic-speaking world.
>
> https://www.google.com/search?q=%D8%B3%D9%85%D9%8A%D8%B1%D8%A9+%D8%B5%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AD+%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%86%D8%B9%D9%8A%D9%85%D9%8A&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
>
> If you wanted to skirt the notability issue, you could always just do a
> quick translation of the Italian piece, basically there is just a template
> so you can credit the original sources. More information can be added to a
> translated piece later.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Translation#How_to_translate
>
> But I don't see how she is not notable.  I daresay if someone created an
> article and it contained both a source, an internal link to another
> Wikipedia article, and a category, no one would challenge it.  This is
> exactly the kind of information from the "global south" that the
> Foundation's official reports keep saying is lacking from Wikipedia, that
> they want to do something about.
>
> Regards,
> Neotarf
>
> On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 3:55 PM, Risker <risker...@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','risker...@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 22 December 2014 at 15:34, Leigh Honeywell <le...@hypatia.ca
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','le...@hypatia.ca');>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Risker <risker...@gmail.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','risker...@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It does not fall afoul of the meatpuppetry policy if the creator writes
>>>> the article independently and using their own wording to create an
>>>> appropriate article based on their own understanding and referencing to
>>>> reliable sources.  For example, this one could fall into several topics:
>>>> Women and ISIS, biography of individual (although you'd have to show she
>>>> was notable for a reason other than her execution), ISIS executions, etc.
>>>> etc.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Perhaps a stupid question but why is the coverage of her execution not
>>> enough for notability?
>>>
>>>
>> ISIS is executing people by the tens of thousands (many for reasons that
>> seem astonishingly petty to outsiders), so being executed by ISIS does not
>> confer notability in and of itself.
>>
>> What would confer notability would be reporting about her *before* her
>> death, such as multiple significant references where she is a primary focus
>> of a report about (for example) women human rights activists in her native
>> country, or conferring of significant recognition such as a government or
>> significant NGO human rights award.  In other words, she needs to be
>> notable *before* her death in order to cross the notability threshold.  The
>> BLP1E threshold still applies.
>>
>> (For those of you unfamiliar with the acronym, that means that a person
>> notable for only one event will not normally have a biographical article,
>> although some of the information (including the name of the individual) may
>> well be notable enough for inclusion in another article.  Example: Names of
>> victims of mass murderers - their names might be included in the article
>> about the murderer.  This is also known as the "Badlydrawnjeff" Arbcom
>> decision.)
>>
>> I've deliberately not been following the articles related to this topic
>> in general, but I am quite certain, based on the significant reporting of
>> this specific event and its contextualization in the media reports
>> (particularly issues related to risks to educated women in Iraq), there's
>> definitely a place for this information on Wikipedia, either in an article
>> about the topic (identifying al-Nuaimi by name and event) or (if there is
>> sufficient information) in an article about herself.
>>
>> Risker/Anne
>>
>>
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