With my mod hat on, Neotarf, please cease the "you could"'s here. Further hypotheticals will get you modded.
Thanks, -Leigh On Monday, December 22, 2014, Neotarf <neot...@gmail.com> wrote: > Is Samira Salih al-Nuaimi notable? > > Just looking for an example of an article about someone notable for only > one event, here is an article on the Death of Ian Tomlinson, a newspaper > vendor who died during a London protest. Tomlinson's piece has been a > featured article, and as far as I know, no one has ever challenged his > notability. > > Tomlinson article: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Ian_Tomlinson > BLP policy--people notable for only one event: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_%28people%29#People_notable_for_only_one_event > > Al-Nuaimi seems to be much more notable than that. The UN and the US > government have both issued official statements about al-Nuaimi's death. > The UN statement calls her a "well-known human rights lawyer and > activist". > > http://reliefweb.int/report/iraq/un-envoy-condemns-public-execution-human-rights-lawyer-ms-sameera-al-nuaimy-enar > > This NZ piece has more detail about the statements issued by UN officials, > apparently al-Nuaimi was running for office on the provincial council as > well. There is more detail about two other female politicians killed or > kidnapped, as well as five female political activists killed in Mosul, but > no other names. > http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/middle-east/61509820/un-activist-publicly-executed-by-islamic-state.html > > And if you can get into some of the Arabic language sources, there is more > nuance: you can see there were statements issued by two different UN > officials, a statement issued by Prince Zeid Ra'ad Al Husssein, the High > Commissioner for Human rights, in a statement issued by the UNHCR in Geneva > and New York, and a statement by the Special Representative of the > Secretary-General of the United Nations in Iraq, Nikolay Mladenov. > > http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ar&u=http://www.elaph.com/Web/News/2014/9/943993.html&prev=search > > A google search for her name in Arabic turns up 138,000 results. Although > Google results numbers are highly inaccurate, you can see at a glance from > the URL's, this is not just a local personality, it has been widely > reported across the Arabic-speaking world. > > https://www.google.com/search?q=%D8%B3%D9%85%D9%8A%D8%B1%D8%A9+%D8%B5%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AD+%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%86%D8%B9%D9%8A%D9%85%D9%8A&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 > > If you wanted to skirt the notability issue, you could always just do a > quick translation of the Italian piece, basically there is just a template > so you can credit the original sources. More information can be added to a > translated piece later. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Translation#How_to_translate > > But I don't see how she is not notable. I daresay if someone created an > article and it contained both a source, an internal link to another > Wikipedia article, and a category, no one would challenge it. This is > exactly the kind of information from the "global south" that the > Foundation's official reports keep saying is lacking from Wikipedia, that > they want to do something about. > > Regards, > Neotarf > > On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 3:55 PM, Risker <risker...@gmail.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','risker...@gmail.com');>> wrote: > >> >> On 22 December 2014 at 15:34, Leigh Honeywell <le...@hypatia.ca >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','le...@hypatia.ca');>> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Risker <risker...@gmail.com >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','risker...@gmail.com');>> wrote: >>>> >>>> It does not fall afoul of the meatpuppetry policy if the creator writes >>>> the article independently and using their own wording to create an >>>> appropriate article based on their own understanding and referencing to >>>> reliable sources. For example, this one could fall into several topics: >>>> Women and ISIS, biography of individual (although you'd have to show she >>>> was notable for a reason other than her execution), ISIS executions, etc. >>>> etc. >>>> >>> >>> Perhaps a stupid question but why is the coverage of her execution not >>> enough for notability? >>> >>> >> ISIS is executing people by the tens of thousands (many for reasons that >> seem astonishingly petty to outsiders), so being executed by ISIS does not >> confer notability in and of itself. >> >> What would confer notability would be reporting about her *before* her >> death, such as multiple significant references where she is a primary focus >> of a report about (for example) women human rights activists in her native >> country, or conferring of significant recognition such as a government or >> significant NGO human rights award. In other words, she needs to be >> notable *before* her death in order to cross the notability threshold. The >> BLP1E threshold still applies. >> >> (For those of you unfamiliar with the acronym, that means that a person >> notable for only one event will not normally have a biographical article, >> although some of the information (including the name of the individual) may >> well be notable enough for inclusion in another article. Example: Names of >> victims of mass murderers - their names might be included in the article >> about the murderer. This is also known as the "Badlydrawnjeff" Arbcom >> decision.) >> >> I've deliberately not been following the articles related to this topic >> in general, but I am quite certain, based on the significant reporting of >> this specific event and its contextualization in the media reports >> (particularly issues related to risks to educated women in Iraq), there's >> definitely a place for this information on Wikipedia, either in an article >> about the topic (identifying al-Nuaimi by name and event) or (if there is >> sufficient information) in an article about herself. >> >> Risker/Anne >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gendergap mailing list >> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org');> >> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please >> visit: >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> > > -- Leigh Honeywell http://hypatia.ca @hypatiadotca
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