Thanks for raising this, Carl. I think the SQLLine project members would be interested in joining the DB project by this means. Given the members' experience with Apache this low-friction approach makes sense.
Julian On 2022/03/30 19:25:11 Carl Steinbach wrote: > I'm a longtime user of both Sqlline and Apache DB, and think the former is a > natural fit for the latter. I am also an Apache and IPMC member, and am eager > to help in any way to get this process moving. > > I also wanted to note that the Apache DB Project Bylaws [1] specify the > following process for adding new subprojects: > > "PMC members may propose the creation of new subprojects. Creation of a new > subproject requires approval by 3/4 positve vote with a minimum of 3 positive > votes of the PMC. Abstaining PMC voters do not affect the result. New code > enters the DB project in accordance with ASF policy." > > Rick, is there any chance that you would be willing to propose the creation > of the Sqlline subproject? If so, I'm happy to write up the proposal. > > Thanks. > > - Carl > > [1] https://db.apache.org/management.html > > On 2021/11/01 19:30:11 Julian Hyde wrote: > > Thanks, Craig. It seems that Petri would be a reasonable route for a mature > > project to become an Apache TLP. As would Incubator, in my opinion. > > > > However, my main questions concern DB. Is DB interested in sub-projects? If > > so, how would one enter DB? > > > > I think that SQLLine would be a good fit in DB, but other than Rick’s > > remarks, I’m not sensing much enthusiasm. > > > > Julian > > > > > > > > > On Nov 1, 2021, at 11:54 AM, Craig Russell <apache....@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > The incubator is indeed how most projects come to Apache. > > > > > > But Petri is a group that is specifically designed to fast-track projects > > > that already know how communities work and are interested in bringing > > > their project to Apache. > > > > > > You can start by looking at the project web site https://petri.apache.org > > > and asking questions on the discuss@ mail list. > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > Craig > > > > > >> On Nov 1, 2021, at 7:03 AM, Rick Hillegas <rick.hille...@gmail.com> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> I don't know of any fast-track process for circumventing the incubator. > > >> I have never incubated a project myself, so I would defer to Craig for > > >> guidance. > > >> > > >> On 11/1/21 12:13 AM, Julian Hyde wrote: > > >>> (Moving sqlline-dev to bcc.) > > >>> > > >>> Thanks for the reply, and the warm welcome, Rick. > > >>> > > >>>> From what I can tell (if Derby, JDO, Cayenne are to be regarded as > > >>> typical), sub-projects enter the DB project via the Incubator, > > >>> sponsored by > > >>> DB, and after completing incubation graduate into DB. And then the > > >>> committers of the incubating sub-project become PMC members of DB. > > >>> > > >>> The Incubation process seems viable for us. I'm sure we can attract a > > >>> few > > >>> more regular contributors during incubation. The ‘teaching people the > > >>> Apache Way’ aspect of the Incubator seems unnecessary, given that > > >>> contributors to SQLLine have plenty of Apache experience; I took Calcite > > >>> through incubation, and have mentored a half dozen projects through > > >>> incubation. > > >>> > > >>> By the way, does that process require a Board vote? Or is it just a > > >>> vote by > > >>> the DB PMC? > > >>> > > >>> Would IP clearance be an alternative way to enter? I guess if we went > > >>> that > > >>> route, we would still have to earn our commit bits & PMC membership > > >>> after > > >>> entering DB, and in the interim, that would make releases a bit > > >>> difficult. > > >>> > > >>> Julian > > >>> > > >>> On Oct 30, 2021, at 12:11 PM, Rick Hillegas <rick.hille...@gmail.com> > > >>> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Hey Julian, > > >>> > > >>> I think that the DB project would be a good home for SQLLine. DB already > > >>> has a SQL REPL tool called ij, which can be deployed against any JDBC > > >>> database. The ij REPL tool is part of the Derby toolset: > > >>> https://db.apache.org/derby/docs/10.15/tools/ctoolsij34525.html There > > >>> could > > >>> be some interesting cross-pollination between SQLLine and ij. > > >>> > > >>> Craig Russell hangs out at the DB project. He has a wealth of experience > > >>> incubating projects and can probably help guide you through the process. > > >>> > > >>> You probably already know much more about the Apache incubator than I > > >>> do, > > >>> given your stewardship of Calcite. At first blush, it sounds as though > > >>> you > > >>> need to sort out some IP issues and attract a couple more active > > >>> contributors in order to pass the incubator hurdles. > > >>> > > >>> I don't know what you need from DB at this point. Maybe Craig can weigh > > >>> in. > > >>> > > >>> Welcome and a big +1 to folding SQLLine into Apache DB. > > >>> > > >>> Cheers, > > >>> -Rick > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On 10/28/21 8:49 PM, Julian Hyde wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Is the DB project interested in adding sub-projects? And if so, what > > >>> are the criteria for acceptance, and what is the process? > > >>> > > >>> SQLLine [1] is an open-source project that provides a command-line > > >>> shell for any JDBC data source. It is widely used, including in Apache > > >>> projects such as Drill and Calcite, and even more widely forked (e.g. > > >>> Hive’s Beeline). The project was founded in around 2002 [2] and around > > >>> 2012 I adopted it, moved it to GitHub, and started making releases > > >>> again [3]. We have two regular contributors (myself and Sergey > > >>> Nuyanzin) and several occasional contributors, and make one or two > > >>> releases per year. > > >>> > > >>> In the SQLLine project, we have recently started a conversation about > > >>> governance, branding and IP ownership. Based on its GitHub URL, > > >>> people tend to assume that it is a single-developer project, and that > > >>> perception may hurt adoption and participation. We have been moving > > >>> towards an ASF-style governance model based on a PMC and committers, > > >>> but we are just short of critical mass. > > >>> > > >>> We think that SQLLine might be a good fit for the DB project. As a > > >>> Java-based tool for interacting with databases it fits the mission > > >>> perfectly; several of us are active in ASF projects and therefore know > > >>> how things work in Apache. If accepted, we could contribute to the > > >>> running of the DB project (voting on other sub-projects’ releases, for > > >>> example). > > >>> > > >>> Please let us know whether you think it would be a good fit for our > > >>> projects. > > >>> > > >>> Julian > > >>> > > >>> [1] https://github.com/julianhyde/sqlline > > >>> > > >>> [2] https://sourceforge.net/projects/sqlline/files/sqlline/ > > >>> > > >>> [3] https://github.com/julianhyde/sqlline/blob/master/HISTORY.md > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > Craig L Russell > > > c...@apache.org > > > > > > > >
