On Mon, Jul 31, 2006 at 02:54:35AM +0800, Niclas Hedhman wrote: > Is [stuff] against the 'spirit of incubation', or some other guideline, rule > or principle?
Sorry about taking this way out of context, but its a relevant question. The back-and-forth in this thread is pretty much about a somewhat vague aspect (as opposed to licensing which is easy and for wicket will be straightforward), namely "community building". What we want to see when a project is finished with this whole incubator thing is a healthy apache-style (whatever that means; the /foundation/ site provides a reasonable idea these days) community, and when we're looking at a new "top-level" project that community also has to be largely "self-sufficient" and definitely "self-governing". Its a very "people thing", this whole community business. When people like me or Justin (sorry for putting words in your mouth mate) write recommendations or suggestions a lot of it all is based on some kind of "vague" experience with it all. Its not like the world would explode if one would deviate from the specifics; as long as the general direction is ok. And that's where the mentors come in :) What we need here is evidence that all the people involved are willing to do all the extra work and perhaps bite through a few sour apples. Incubation is not easy and takes a load of effort of the project community and probably slows down quite a few things in the short term (eg there won't be a book coming out in October about "Apache Wicket 2.0", whereas a book on simply "Wicket 2.0" in October might or might not make sense (don't ask me I don't know that much about wicket)). The wicket guys need to know what they're committing to (and why!). Its a little bit itchy to read about "complying with rules" or about "who decides". When you get right down to it, legally, the person who decides is the VP. And I can count on the fingers of 0 hands how many times he laid down the law here in incubator land! g'night! LSD --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
