On 27-Sep-08, at 7:46 PM, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
Jason,
Exactly why in previous discussions i already asked..."Can the maven
folks provide another way to do this?" (not showing disclaimers
necessarily, something that the user has to do one time works too.
Example: apt-get and keys)
We could do anything, but I'm not implementing pop ups. But you can.
On a download event the build could stop and make people read "An ode
to the Incubator: How important we are, and how like children you all
are". Or we could make them listen to that enduring audio classic:
"Did someone in the incubator just make something up that no one has
ever heard of before?" That one always makes me laugh (cry). Maybe we
can humor the users in the hopes they don't get pissed off with us
because we intentionally made things harder then they have to be.
I'll hope that people rely on the same tool that keeps them from
sniffing the ends of loaded shotguns, or bathing with toasters. That
would be the brain.
-- dims
On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 7:30 PM, Jason van Zyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
On 27-Sep-08, at 7:03 PM, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
Am asking because, the way the situation is being portrayed is that
anyone using maven is totally unable to use the incubator
artifacts...that's wrong.
It's just amazingly inconvenient.
Take the 10 minutes (and that's a conservative number) that every
user goes
through groping around trying to figure out how setup the
repositories and
multiply that by 5k (which is not unreasonable for something as
popular as
JSecurity) and now multiply that by the number of projects and we're
literally getting into man years of wasted time. To consciously
inflict this
on people when it's not necessary is exacting a serious amount of
damage.
Every user who can't build something here as a first time user is
going to
make their first experience a bad one.
For us to pontificate here about how we should be protecting a
generally
intelligent user base while wasting man years of users' valuable
time to me
is wrong.
thanks,
dims
On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 6:46 PM, Davanum Srinivas
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Jukka,
I see where you are going with this. But what i cannot for the
life of
me understand is why adding a tiny snippet of xml to project B's
pom
is so objectionable (adding another repo)? No one has yet answered
that question for me.
thanks,
dims
On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 5:36 PM, Jukka Zitting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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wrote:
Hi,
On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 11:21 PM, Davanum Srinivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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wrote:
I know...hence my VOTE was what it was.
So my questions go out to people who opposed the proposed policy
change:
1) Is it OK for project A to bundle the incubating dependency?
2) If yes, why should things be more complex for project B?
BR,
Jukka Zitting
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