Chris Regardless of whether it is an explicit requirement to have some specific level of diversity, there is a requirement that the group demonstrate community building.
The page in question may be incorrect, but as it stands it does not appear that a diverse community has been built. I am sympathetic to the encouragement of company participation, but I don't think that it serves apache to have projects that are effective stalking horses for what are effectively private communities. My sensitivity on this point is largely informed by the efforts we have made to build the drill community beyond the core team funded by MapR. I felt at the beginning of that project and still feel strongly that it is critical for a project to develop into a truly open community. Building a real community is hard work and it doesn't happen by accident, especially in a high pressure competitive environment. My own opinion is that this effort is not optional. If the problem is simply an out of date web page and a good level of diversity exists, that would be an excellent outcome. If the web page is, however, accurate then I do see this as a problem that needs to e addressed. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 22, 2014, at 8:31, "Mattmann, Chris A (3980)" > <chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: > > Hi Guys, > > I will dig up the thread from Roy on this, but company-based diversity is > not a graduation > requirement. Basically the jist of it is that requiring such would > discourage companies > from specifically funding participation in a single open source project > for fear of these > types of constraints and we'd lose out on the contributions. > > Cheers, > Chris > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Henry Saputra <henry.sapu...@gmail.com> > Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org> > Date: Saturday, June 21, 2014 10:18 PM > To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org> > Subject: Re: Tez graduation [Was: Request for mentor assessment] > >> Looks like the page is not updated because the proposal mentions more >> diverse people [1] >> >> [1] http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/TezProposal >> >> On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 8:02 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <c...@apache.org> >> wrote: >>> Ok, I've reached out to the Tez project and it seems that they are >>> wokring w/ >>> Chris Mattmann's on the graduation process (per an email exchange >>> http://s.apache.org/K7g). What has caught my attention is the PPMC >>> composition >>> which is pretty much uniformly represented by a group with the same >>> affiliation. Given that this page >>> https://tez.incubator.apache.org/team-list.html >>> is up to date. >>> >>> If I am reading >>> https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community >>> right, the PPMC and committers composition should be diversified. Is it >>> a >>> concern for graduation from the IPMC standpoint of view? >>> >>> Regards, >>> Cos >>> >>>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 06:54PM, Chris Douglas wrote: >>>> Tez is ready to graduate. Cos, if you can help us manage that process, >>>> it'd certainly be appreciated. -C >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <c...@apache.org> >>>> wrote: >>>>> I share the sentiment with NPanday - doesn't seem like anything is >>>> happening >>>>> there really. >>>>> >>>>> If it of an interest to the incubator, I will volunteer to help >>>> mentoring Tez. >>>>> >>>>> Cos >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 12:55AM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) wrote: >>>>>> I think Tez needs some more help mentoring. I myself haven't had >>>>>> as much time as possible so the more folks over there that can >>>>>> help mentor the better. >>>>>> >>>>>> Good job starting this thread, Roman. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org> >>>>>> Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" >>>> <general@incubator.apache.org> >>>>>> Date: Thursday, June 12, 2014 5:44 PM >>>>>> To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org> >>>>>> Subject: Re: Request for mentor assessment >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 5:47 PM, Henry Saputra >>>> <henry.sapu...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> Seems like NPanday should go to attic. One mentor I asked did >>>> not even >>>>>>>> monitor it anymore >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've had exactly the same experience. My plan here is to wait for >>>> folks >>>>>>> to chime in on this thread and for those mentors who are MiA start >>>>>>> different threads asking for additional (replacement) mentors. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I really would like for things like retirement proposals to come >>>> from >>>>>>> somebody who's spent time getting to know the community in greater >>>>>>> details. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Roman. >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
