Hi Daniel, regarding “lower bar for project sexiness and buzzwordyness” - another options would be using an existing ASF umbrella project, e.g. Apache Commons. There you find a lot “unsexy but heavily used stuff” … ;-)
Cheers, Siegfried Goeschl > On 22 May 2015, at 19:31, Daniel Dekany <ddek...@freemail.hu> wrote: > > Technically (i.e., in source code), I don't think Velocity and > Freemarker can share much. It seems that they kind of share fate > though. Apparently, everyone has something more important to > contribute to. And that's fine, I say, because what put these template > engines into the spotlight 15(?) years ago was Web MVC, and legacy > JSP's deficiencies to server that paradigm. It was a hot topic back > then. But nowadays, just like in the case of Velocity (apparently), > finding guys who want to hack this project for free after coding all > day at the workplace, and instead of being with their families and all > that, is, well... challenging. And it seems companies don't care to > invest either by putting paid developers on it. (Certainly the same > companies wouldn't be too happy if Freemarker is suddenly EOL-ed, > though.) I guess there's some kind lower bar in project sexiness and > buzzwordyness under which life just stops when it comes to > contributions. Those same properties aren't needed for the project > being heavily used though. > > So that's where we stand. But does it mean these projects should die? > I don't think so. Does it mean that these projects are not for Apache? > I don't know that, you tell me! Surely I don't want FM to go into > incubation if failure is the most probable outcome. Can the > requirements for getting out from incubation successfully be > quantified? For the kind of project like this? > > -- > Thanks, > Daniel Dekany > > > Friday, May 22, 2015, 2:44:03 AM, Ralph Goers wrote: > >> I used to use Apache Velocity. However, it hasn’t had a release >> since 2010 and the overall project activity has been minimal for >> years. As a consequence of that, and a feature that was missing, I >> recently switched to using Freemarker for some templating work I >> needed to do. The only reason I mention Velocity is I am wondering >> what relationship these two projects should have, if any. I am also >> concerned that if interest in development of Freemarker is >> decreasing is it going to suffer the same fate? I guess what I am >> wondering is if there is some way these two communities and/or technologies >> could combine? >> >> FWIW, I’d be happy to mentor this project. If I had the time I know >> I’d want to commit, but that has been in extremely short supply of late. >> >> Ralph >> >> >>> On May 21, 2015, at 4:38 PM, Marvin Humphrey <mar...@rectangular.com> wrote: >>> >>> On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 7:11 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz >>> <bdelacre...@apache.org> wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Sergio Fernández <wik...@apache.org> >>>> wrote: >>>>> ...If you'd need any other mentor, I'm happy to help there (I'm Incubator >>>>> PMC >>>>> and ASF Member)... >>>> >>>> Currently I see three mentors and two committers at >>>> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/FreemarkerProposal, I'm not involved >>>> in that podling but it looks to me that additional committers might be >>>> more useful than more mentors. >>> >>> 4 Mentors is a good number, though! >>> >>> It's true that there aren't many initial committers, but the proposal >>> addresses this issue at length. >>> >>> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/FreemarkerProposal#Known_Risks >>> >>> While it continues to have a large user base, the active developer >>> community has become rather small at this point, and we think that the >>> "Apache Way" governance model and being part of the ASF (together with >>> other projects that are already using Freemarker) would help to bring new >>> life and energy to the project to better support the maintenance and >>> improvements of the Freemarker codebase. >>> >>> I think this is a reasonable plan and definitely worth a shot at incubating. >>> The Incubator has a mixed history with podlings that start small, but >>> Freemarker has an advantage over many of those because it begins with a >>> large >>> user base and wide adoption. >>> >>> Marvin Humphrey >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
