Have enough mentor votes in dev vote, and carry them to incubator vote, really could make the IPMC vote more flexible.
IPMC member could help on recheck from different view, which sometimes is necessary. Fresh eyes are good to the community and assist the project speed up to graduate, in my perspective. Even one or two IPMC vote -1, but the project mentors think still good enough to release, then the release wouldn't be blocked. From my experiences, in SkyWalking as very new in ASF, in ShardingSphere as a member of PPMC goes through incubator journey again, and in Zipkin as a project mentor, all these project PPMC team explicitly hope that, they could have this kind of help from mentors. I am +1 for Craig's suggestion, and hope the mentors could have time to take part in the release checks. ------------------ Sheng Wu Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin Twitter, wusheng1108 ------------------ Original ------------------ From: "Ross Gardler"<rgard...@outlook.com>; Date: Mon, Apr 1, 2019 12:14 PM To: "general@incubator.apache.org"<general@incubator.apache.org>; Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Mentors SHOULD vote on podling releases prior to askingIPMC to vote Just like so many things, this is how it used to be. In fact, back in the day the only time the IPMC was asked to vote was when there were not enough mentor votes. If you look at all the podlinga I've mentored I have only ever asked for an IPMC vote on two occasions (that I recall). One because I had absent mentors (the project never graduated due to lack of success as a community) and one because it was a very large and complex code base and we asked for extra eyes on the first release. Every other time the community worked with mentors. Once we had the votes we notified the IPMC that the vote had passed and moved on. Requiring an IPMC vote is akin to the board voting on all TLP releases. It should be stopped. The IPMC are facilitators not gate keepers. Individual IPMC members can join the podling communities if they wish to participate. Why are podlings and mentors answering to the IPMC by default? I know the standard answer is because mentors sometimes get too busy. Sure. If it happens every release is a problem and having to ask for an IPMC vote highlights the problem. I realize this proposal does not go this far, I'm +0 for the proposal as a step in the right direction, but it doesn't go far enough in my opinion. Ross Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/ghei36> ________________________________ From: Craig Russell <apache....@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 8:30:35 PM To: Incubator Subject: [DISCUSS] Mentors SHOULD vote on podling releases prior to asking IPMC to vote This is a proposal to recommend that all Mentors SHOULD vote on podling releases prior to sending the release for a vote to the IPMC. This is not a MUST, since there are many good reasons why a mentor might be unable to perform the checks needed to vote. We are volunteers after all. But if this proposal is adopted, it will minimize the occurrences of a podling desperately asking for someone, anyone, on the IPMC to please vote. It should also minimize the number of podling releases that are shot down in the full IPMC vote because of something that a Mentor is likely to catch. Thanks for your consideration, Craig Craig L Russell c...@apache.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
