Besides, the maturity model is applied for all ASF projects and under the management of ComDev pmc.
Shall we cc this thread to dev@community.a.o or start a new thread after we have a consensus within the Incubator first? Best, tison. tison <wander4...@gmail.com>于2023年12月29日 周五12:58写道： > > This varies from project to project: > > 1. Some projects have PMC members working at a company who use their > trademark, and they make sure that things are correctly done. > > 2. Some projects have people who actively look out for these types of > issues and report them. > > 3. Some projects are more active and set up automated Google searches > and the like. > > 4. Not all issues occur on web pages. Some of these issues arise at > conferences or 3rd party events and are often noticed by PMC members or ASF > members. > > Could you name projects of 3? "Some" is hard to follow, if there is a > concrete podling/TLP does the thing correctly, we can reuse the > workflow. > > > Yes, in most cases, the PMC should spend time addressing it. > > Could you name projects that do well in this direction? > > > how the project wishes to implement this is up to them. > > As mentors, we should help the podling to follow certain policies, > either we can verify it by actionable check items or references. > Otherwise it's totally subjective according to a member's > interpretation it and it can increase the burden. > > Looking at the policy, it writes[1]: > > > COMPLY WITH APACHE BRAND POLICY > > All PMCs must to comply with the Apache Project Branding Requirements. > If your project does not comply, or is having issues in determining > compliance, including a recognition of this set of PMC responsibilities to > handle brand issues, work with trademarks@ to resolve the issue. > > Much as complying with Apache legal policy to ensure that our software > is safely covered under our license, projects must follow the branding > requirements to ensure that we maintain our projects' brands and the Apache > brand - and public reputations - for the future benefit of all of Apache > projects. > > So how a PMC complies with the policy is that you should comply with > the policy .. circular definition. > > Of course, there are other scattered docs having sentences on this > topic, but since we are currently talking about this, we'd better > foster a clear actionable guideline, or at lest feeling how a podling > suffers when they are searching these sentences. > > We don't stop podling by requiring them comply with guidelines, we > help them to follow. > > Best, > tison. > > [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility#compliance > > tison <wander4...@gmail.com> 于2023年12月29日周五 12:39写道： > > > > > TB50 Any existing previous domain names are in control of the PMC. > > > > This is hard to follow. If the domain names are under the donating > > compay's top domain, said if there is a foo.google.com, shall the PMC > > take control of Google? > > > > > TB60 Any existing trademarks have been or are in the process of being > transferred to the ASF. > > > > Just in case the trademarks are donated to ASF in the proposal. Given > > Ignite as an example, GridGain doesn't donate its "GridGain InMemory > > Platform" trademark but choose a new trademark "Ignite". So "GridGain" > > trademark is still held by GridGain Systems. > > > > I believe this process should be done with the signed SGAs so if SGAs > > are signed properly, this guideline is followed. > > > > Best, > > tison. > > > > tison <wander4...@gmail.com> 于2023年12月29日周五 12:33写道： > > > > > > >> It seems the updated podling report template has not had the impact > it was hoped to have around issues of branding and trademarks. > > > > > > > For example, a doable mechanism is that, during each quarter's > report, > > > > the (P)PMC includes a section on what checks they did and if they > > > > found any 3rdparty misuse. > > > > > > And this report to be included for TLPs also. Podlings are to be a > > > TLP. Although we don't use TLP as an evidence for what to do > > > incorrectly, if a TLP does the right thing, we should refer it as an > > > example. Barely policy is hard to follow. > > > > > > The original podling report template asks "Is the PPMC managing the > > > podling's brand / trademarks?" and a podling would answer YES because > > > nothing is known to change the answer :D > > > > > > Best, > > > tison. > > > > > > tison <wander4...@gmail.com> 于2023年12月29日周五 12:25写道： > > > > > > > > Thanks for starting this thread. As we actually evaluate the maturity > > > > at how the podling complies with trademarks and branding, we'd better > > > > provide certain guidelines for podlings to follow. > > > > > > > > I can understand TB10 TB20 TB30 after the recent discussions, but > > > > perhaps it is still helpful if we extend the comments with more > > > > examples as in the discussions - it makes what to do and what not to > > > > do much more clear. > > > > > > > > > TB40 The project performs some monitoring of 3rd party use of its > trademarks, addressing any instances of misuse. > > > > > > > > Do you have some examples of how podlings or TLPs perform this today? > > > > It's unclear to me how I can understand and follow this guideline: > > > > Shall the PMC check over the Internet? Is any 3rd party even with a > > > > very low page rank should the PMC spend time to address it; or else > > > > the PMC fail to meet this guideline? > > > > > > > > For example, a doable mechanism is that, during each quarter's > report, > > > > the (P)PMC includes a section on what checks they did and if they > > > > found any 3rdparty misuse. > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > tison. > > > > > > > > Justin Mclean <jus...@classsoftware.com> 于2023年12月29日周五 10:54写道： > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > It seems the updated podling report template has not had the > impact it was hoped to have around issues of branding and trademarks. > > > > > > > > > > It was pointed out on the trademark list that the current maturity > model [1] is missing checks for trademarks and branding. > > > > > > > > > > Here is my first attempt at it; feedback, thoughts, etc, are > welcome. > > > > > > > > > > Trademarks and Branding > > > > > TB10 The project correctly uses “Apache Foo” as the project name > where required. > > > > > TB20 The project complies with ASF’s branding and trademark policy > in all places it controls.* > > > > > TB30 The project resolves any potential trademark issue pointed > out to it promptly. > > > > > TB40 The project performs some monitoring of 3rd party use of its > trademarks, addressing any instances of misuse. > > > > > > > > > > * Including its website, documentation, 3rd party download > services or any other locations. > > > > > > > > > > With some changes and increased focus on security, we might want > to review the existing points that mention security. > > > > > > > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > > Justin > > > > > > > > > > 1. > https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > >
