on 1/7/02 10:00 AM, "Paulo Gaspar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> What I am seeing are the same signs Sam sees:
> 
>> Sam wrote:
>> 
>> In my, admittedly biased, perspective, I see significant improvement in
>> terms of community over the course of the past eleven months or so.  For
>> starters, the following results would have been inconceivable at the time:
>> 
>>    http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/gump/2002-01-07/
>> 
>> I also see an initiative by Ted and others to build a commons are which
>> promotes reuse.  Conscientious objectors notwithstanding, they plow
>> relentlessly ahead, continuing to make incremental and enduring progress.

As far as I'm concerned, all Gump shows us is that projects have managed to
quit breaking each others interfaces. Gump shows us that documents such as
this:

    <http://jakarta.apache.org/turbine/common/deprecation.html>

...have had an effect on people's mentalities. Those are not my issues with
Jakarta at this point.

-jon


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