+1 On Tue, 2002-01-29 at 14:07, Scott Sanders wrote: > Comments inline... > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Endre Stølsvik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 4:02 AM > > To: Jakarta General List > > Subject: Re: ECS?? _TOP_ level project of Jakarta?? > > > > > > > > | What's the point? > > | > > | They will still always be separate communities in separate CVS > > | repositories. > > | > > | Let me put it another way : what problem are we trying to solve? > > > > Me coming to the front page and trying to understand what > > Jakarta is all about. "Browsing" it.. Reading about all the > > cool technologies that's in there. > > SUBMIT A PATCH!!! > > > > > | > > | That people have trouble finding out what's here? That's > > something we > > | need to address on the website, I think. > > > > Yes. > > > > | > > | > > | > 2) If a guy that's already within Jakarta decides that > > he'll make a > > | > nice, thight, _small_ little library, it seems like > > getting it into > > | > Jakarta just takes a cvs commit. Even top level. > > | > > | No way. I'm a guy in Jakarta. I have commit privs to Velocity, > > | Commons and a small section of Turbine, and the main site, IIRC. > > | That's it. > > > > I was kind of kidding there. But it does look like it's easy > > to get a project accepted at Jakarta if you already have > > "some control" over the community. > > Not really, there are guidelines, and that is but one. > > > > > > > [..] | The point is that even as part of the 'management committee' of > > | jakarta, I have no special privs. And I think that is the > > right way, > > | BTW. > > > > I basically try to point out that I think this isn't the case now.. > > > > People from "the outside" is met with a very hostile attitude > > if they ask whether this or that project could > > interest/supplement Apache/Jakarta, while people (or.. Jon?) > > on the inside says "yo, dudes, what about me stuffing this > > little lib toplevel onto jakarta?".. "Ok, that's 5 minutes > > response time, it's now in place." > > What did jon stuff into the top level? Do you understand that ECS is on of the >OLDEST projects here at Jakarta, that was started with Jserv at java.apache.org, and >moved to jakarta to avoid trademark issues with the java name? No one just stuffed >it in. Where you here when this happened? I have been lurking in the java-apache >space since early 1998, and I can say that the community back then was MUCH smaller. > > > > > | > While if fantastically cool projects > > | > that are outside of Jakarta wants to get in, it's about > > impossible. > > | > > | Come on. This year we started Commons and added Lucene, BCEL, POI. > > > > How much cooler isn't the idea of POI compared to ECS? BCEL? > > And how much more hassle and stress did the POI dudes have to > > go through, compared to ECS? > > That is up to the person you ask. Someone from Avalon would probably say Avalon is >most important. I would actually say that ANT is the most important. I am not even >a committer there. Others would say Tomcat. Even others from the old days would say >that Jserv is the most important. Point is that nothing is 'cooler' than anything >else, only on a person by person basis. > > > > > | What 'fantastically cool projects' want to get in? > > > > BCEL and POI are the ones I'm especcialy pointing towards here. > > Are they not in? I think that they are :) > > > > > | > (Corollary (?!): Jon Stevens' vote is about 10 times bigger than > > | > everybody elses.) > > | > > | Nope. Some of us just tend to listen to him... > > > > I know. > > Because he has actually been involved here pratically forever!!! I will always hear >Jon, Pier, Stefano and now Sam no matter what they have to say. They have earned my >respect. That does NOT mean I WILL follow them, only that I will try to understand >what they are saying. They tend to be right a lot of the time. With that said I >also must say that sometimes I completely disagree with Jon, but that is my right as >well. > > > > > > > As a complement to this: how is the "deprecating" system of > > Jakarta? If a project "dies", that nobody seems to update it, > > the list dies or something like this, does it die away from > > Jakarta too? > > What would you like to see happen? Should we wipe the site with something that has >no activity? Should Jserv die because the last release was forever ago? I think >not. Jserv is a production server that lives in many production sites. Try finding >a java web hoster that uses something other than Jserv. > > What is your patch to the problem? > > Looking forward to your PATCH. > > Scott Sanders > > > > > -- > > Mvh, > > Endre > > > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > <mailto:general-> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > For > > additional commands, > > e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > -- www.superlinksoftware.com www.sourceforge.net/projects/poi - port of Excel format to java http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4487555.html - fix java generics!
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