Just my opinion. If you have an ax to grind, lets see some patches. Now that the front page has the pretty table with categories I understand it a lot better and think you're issue is yesterday's issue. Writing good project websites is inherently hard. Its hard for POI...it should be 10x harder for Jakarta.
What I think would be cool is a page with some "Apache Solutions Examples" where we get folks to send in how/where they used a bunch of Apache stuff (including XML/HTTPD/JAKARTA) in a project. Draw some pretty diagrams and have the diagrams link back to the projects. Show how the projects fit together to solve particular problem areas. I needed a webpage with a search engine, index my XLS files so I did: Apache->Tomcat->Lucene->POI, or I needed to replace my $10k Actuate e-reporting system with something maintainable that didn't require $500/hr consultants so I installed Apache->Tomcat->Cocoon->POI ... etc etc. Put up pretty diagrams etc. Call it "Apache Software In Use!" Unfortunately, having no artistic skill whatsoever I can't contribute to the heart of this...the pretty diagrams...so I'll shut up now ;-) -Andy On Tue, 2002-01-29 at 07:02, Endre Stølsvik wrote: > > | What's the point? > | > | They will still always be separate communities in separate CVS repositories. > | > | Let me put it another way : what problem are we trying to solve? > > Me coming to the front page and trying to understand what Jakarta is all > about. "Browsing" it.. Reading about all the cool technologies that's in > there. > > | > | That people have trouble finding out what's here? That's something we need > | to address on the website, I think. > > Yes. > > | > | > | > 2) If a guy that's already within Jakarta decides that he'll make a nice, > | > thight, _small_ little library, it seems like getting it into Jakarta just > | > takes a cvs commit. Even top level. > | > | No way. I'm a guy in Jakarta. I have commit privs to Velocity, Commons and > | a small section of Turbine, and the main site, IIRC. That's it. > > I was kind of kidding there. But it does look like it's easy to get a > project accepted at Jakarta if you already have "some control" over the > community. > > > [..] | The point is that even as part of the 'management committee' of > | jakarta, I have no special privs. And I think that is the right way, > | BTW. > > I basically try to point out that I think this isn't the case now.. > > People from "the outside" is met with a very hostile attitude if they ask > whether this or that project could interest/supplement Apache/Jakarta, > while people (or.. Jon?) on the inside says "yo, dudes, what about me > stuffing this little lib toplevel onto jakarta?".. "Ok, that's 5 minutes > response time, it's now in place." > > | > While if fantastically cool projects > | > that are outside of Jakarta wants to get in, it's about impossible. > | > | Come on. This year we started Commons and added Lucene, BCEL, POI. > > How much cooler isn't the idea of POI compared to ECS? BCEL? And how much > more hassle and stress did the POI dudes have to go through, compared to > ECS? > > | What 'fantastically cool projects' want to get in? > > BCEL and POI are the ones I'm especcialy pointing towards here. > > | > (Corollary (?!): Jon Stevens' vote is about 10 times bigger than > | > everybody elses.) > | > | Nope. Some of us just tend to listen to him... > > I know. > > > As a complement to this: how is the "deprecating" system of Jakarta? If a > project "dies", that nobody seems to update it, the list dies or something > like this, does it die away from Jakarta too? > > -- > Mvh, > Endre > > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > -- www.superlinksoftware.com www.sourceforge.net/projects/poi - port of Excel format to java http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4487555.html - fix java generics! The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote. -Ambassador Kosh -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
