At 10:08 AM 5/28/2003 +0200, you wrote:
On 28/05/2003 9:47 Pier Fumagalli wrote:

Going back and looking at the past 5 years, actually, I think that in this
case, the guy from Sun actually has a point (Rudy? Who the hell is he?).
Oddly enough in the J2EE/JBoss saga, I don't see Sun as being the "bad" guys
(but ok, some of us and Mark go back A LONG time)...

I concur that. The JBossGroup is playing a very tricky game, and some of what they do will reflect bad upon the entire Open Source community. Rest assured that Werner knows about these tricks since he was involved with JBoss in Europe from the beginning. I'm not a Fleury fan, neither, and his latest acts (the whitepapers, trying to lure committers into a commercial liaison with JBG) have confirmed my feelings.

Don't you think JBoss' huge success has something to do with Sun's animosity? Every developer I know who has a say on the platform uses JBoss: better product, better documentation, better support, lower price.

Do you think Sun Microsystems cares one bit about the well being of
Open Source? The fact that Sun is actively trying to scuttle a
successful OS project, JBoss in this case, is very disturbing.

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