I am certainly willing (and want) to share some responsibilities to help grow Jakarta but I want to be clear on the responsibilities I will be taking on as a member and if I will be eligible.
Thanks, Harish
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Harish Krishnaswamy wrote:
First off, as a commiter your entitled to be proposed for membership of
the
PMC, which I'd be happy to do.
Thanks for the offer but I don't know if I would qualify for one. The description on the website is pretty broad.
Harish, as I see it, part of the problem comes from a misunderstanding about the nature of the PMC. The term "management" has been misunderstood in the context of an ASF Project.
The intended purpose for the PMC is that the PMC members are the core group making all decisions related to an ASF Project. That includes voting on code changes, voting on new Committers, voting on new PMC members. Not all Committers may be on the PMC, but the majority should be -- and those who aren't do not have binding votes (see explanation below). I recently did a quick survey of some projects:
Project # PMC # Committers % HTTP Server: 43 59 73% APR 29 43 67% Cocoon 31 67 46% Jakarta 42+ 352 12%
Not all Committers are still active, so the ratio of PMC to active Committers is higher, but the difference is still pretty clear. The Jakarta PMC, using the current structure, is missing 100s of members.
Now here is where the problem comes in. Although every PMC is free to establish its normal rules, the legal system also plays a part. The structure of the ASF exists to protect us. In order to be protected, decision makers must be PMC members. Decisions include code changes.
The discussions taking place on [EMAIL PROTECTED] regarding how to fix the situation take different directions, but I think that everyone agrees that the vast majority of Jakarta Committers must be on a responsible PMC. The question, as I see it, is really about *how* we're going to organize it, not *if*.
--- Noel
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