(Quoting Chris below, but actually replying to Alexandre)
On 4/10/07, Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Will this actually resolve any of the recent problems?
That's a good point, let's list them.
Will this stop flame wars?
This a mailing-list issue, no amount of restructuring will fix that. We now have the CoC and a splitting of -dev is planned to be discussed at next council meeting. So it surely doesn't look like nothing is being done about this.
Will this cause people be nicer to each other?
See above. In the end niceness needs fun, and fun needs niceness. All we need is to prime the pump. This requires an effort from everybody, but I'm confident we'll make it in the end.
Will this give us more qualified developers?
Recruiters are working hard to get new, better people in. Again, structure has nothing to do with this. We may need more recruiters and a polishing of the recruiting procedures, but this is already being addressed. A new recuiters lead and the equizapp project are good examples of what is being done.
Will this increase the quality of the tree?
QA issue, here, and again they may need more people, better procedures, and maybe more power but it isn't a structure issue. Splitting projects (and thus people) even more than what they are today will only result in a QA nightmare, as it will be very difficult to maintain (or worse, to enforce) a suitable level of quality and consistency.
I think that the clique-like nature of many projects is part of the problem. We already have too much of a "us versus them" mentality.
Right on. What we need is unity and coherence. We need to be facing issues together, not creating new needless ones. With Gentoo growing everyday it's certainly more and more difficult, but this is our challenge for today and tomorrow. Recent history shows we are a lot better with technical issues than with human relations so I suspect we'll struggle quite a bit along the way. Btw, this being a social issue, a structure change won't do anything to it. But I'm sure we'll make it simply because we have too.
What, exactly, is your proposal supposed to actually accomplish?
With all the respect due to you and the effort you put into writing this proposal, I'd be tempted to answer: "apply a cataplasm on a wooden leg" (you surely know this old french saying). I've seen this "let's restructure, it'll solve it all" thing too many times in real life, and the only effect was always to delay the actual resolution of the problems, and lose valuable energy and people on the way. The bottom line is that we already have solutions for most of the problems we are facing, and some are already being implemented. All we need is to continue working on what's left to do, wait for the first results, and apply corrections if necessary. We shouldn't expect our actions to have immediate effect and problems be solved overnight. However, if we have a structure problem I'm all for trying to address it. But first I'll need to hear what it is exactly. Denis. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
