On 12/15/2012 02:33 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 13:58:43 -0500 > "Walter Dnes" <waltd...@waltdnes.org> wrote: > >> On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 07:07:09PM +0100, Micha?? G??rny wrote >>> >>> Waaait, what? Did something change lately or are you just repeating >>> the same bullshit for months? >> >> Older systemd boots OK with a separate /usr and eudev. But somehow, >> somewhere along the line, as part of the merge, the udev portion of the >> systemd tarball requires initramfs. See news item... >> http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=36326;list=gentoo >> It was actually finally released 2012-03-16. If you disagree with that >> news item, complain directly to its author. If you can boot a udev-181 >> or higher system with a separate /usr, and no intrd/initramfs, I'm sure >> a lot of people would be very interested in knowing how. > > This was a Gentoo decision, not an upstream one. >
If I recall, WilliamH stated at the time that he believed that upstream would make avoiding it increasingly difficult. My impression was that he felt coerced into making that change. I suspect that the following statement from Lennart Poettering is the reason why WilliamH appeared to feel coerced: > http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2012-August/006066.html > >> Well, we intent to continue to make it possible to run udevd outside >> of systemd. But that's about it. We will ***NOT POLISH THAT, OR ADD >> NEW FEATURES*** to that or anything. >> >> OTOH we do polish behaviour of udev when used *within* systemd >> however, and that's our primary focus. >> >> And what we will ***CERTAINLY NOT DO IS COMPROMISE THE UNIFORM >> INTEGRATION INTO SYSTEMD FOR SOME COSMETIC IMPROVEMENTS FOR >> NON-SYSTEMD SYSTEMS***. >> >> (Yes, udev on non-systemd systems is in our eyes a dead end, in case >> you haven't noticed it yet. I am looking forward to the day when we >> can drop that support entirely.) When he says "udev on non-systemd systems", he clearly means anything outside of his narrow definition of what he considers to be a supported configuration. That is his decision and I can respect that, but to hold upstream as being separate from the decision by the Gentoo udev maintainers is inaccurate.
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