On 08/08/2013 01:49 AM, Patrick Lauer wrote:
> On 08/07/2013 09:14 PM, Alexandre Rostovtsev wrote:
>> On Wed, 2013-08-07 at 14:45 +0200, Michael Weber wrote:
>>> Greetings,
>>>
>>> Gnome Herd decided to target stablilization of 3.8 [1] which requires
>>> systemd.
>>>
>>> What are the reasons to stable 3.8 and not 3.6, a version w/o this
>>> restriction, enabling all non systemd users to profit from this
>>> eye-candy as well.
>>>
>>> I raise the freedom of choice card here. And deliberately choosing an
>>> uncooperative version doesn't shine a good light.
>>>
>>> Facts, pls!
>>>
>>>    Michael
>>>
>>> [1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=478252
>>
>> To stabilize gnome-3.6, we would need
>> 1. one or (preferably) two *active* gentoo developers;
>> 2. who are familiar with gnome's internals and are able to backport
>> bugfixes from 3.8/3.10 without support from upstream developers; and
>> 3. who volunteer to run openrc+gnome-3.6 for a long time on their main
>> machines so that they can give a stable 3.6 the support that the word
>> 'stable' implies.
>>
>> We do not have such people on the gnome team.
>>
> 
> Seeing the noise in #gentoo from people getting whacked in the kidney by
> the systemd sidegrade ... that's a very optimistic decision.
> 
> It'll cause lots of pain for users that suddenly can't start lvm
> properly and other nasty landmines hidden in the "upgrade path". By
> stabilizing this early you're causing lots of extra work for others.
> 
> I hope you understand that some of us will be very rude and just suggest
> to unmerge gnome on all support requests as it now moves outside our
> support range ...
> 
> Have a nice day,
> 
> Patrick
> 
> 
> 

+1

Stabilizing it is wrong.

Leave it in ~arch forever, because it is incompatible with system
packages. (virtual/service-manager)

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