On 08/28/2016 04:21 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > On Sun, 28 Aug 2016 14:34:20 +0200 > Patrick Lauer <patr...@gentoo.org> wrote: > >> On 08/28/2016 08:30 AM, Daniel Campbell wrote: >>> On 08/24/2016 09:42 AM, Zac Medico wrote: >>>> On 08/24/2016 09:33 AM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: >>>>> * no benefit put forth so far, other than that it's the same file that >>>>> systemd uses, which is true but not beneficial as far as I can tell >>>> >>>> It's a de facto standard. Being different for the sake of being >>>> different is not a virtue in cases like this. >>>> >>> >>> And doing things because "everyone else does it" is dumb, because it >>> precludes our ability to choose and makes us subject to the decisions >>> made outside of our distribution. Of course, as a distro we're subject >>> to outside decisions often, but what's the point of being a distro if >>> you're doing things the same way everyone else does? >> >> >> At this point I feel the need to point at /etc/mtab and how it doesn't >> work anymore. Or rather: >> >> In the old days it did *not* carry all mountpoints, so you could hide >> things like /dev and /run so that "umount -a" would not screw you sideways. >> >> Then tools forgot to properly update mtab because hurr why u no symlink >> to /proc/mounts (oh wait, /proc/self/mounts ) >> >> So everyone migrated to /etc/mtab as a symlink (even OpenRC, because >> everyone does it) >> >> ... and now if you still instincively use umount -a you unmount /run and >> other bits, breaking lots of stuff (can't shutdown if OpenRC strongly >> considers not having booted!) >> >> >> That's why some of us are very resistant to change. > > Which could be pretty much summarized as 'I'm unhappy because I was > abusing the existing system to make "umount -a" not do what it was > supposed to do, and I'm unhappy because now it started to work > correctly'. >
"Just because it worked for 30 years doesn't mean it worked" ? I like how you claim to be the authority on how umount is supposed to behave ... (and what abuse? it did exactly what it was supposed to do quite nicely, until it stopped doing that. Now you need to track state and hope you don't have race conditions ... )
