On Sat, 2005-02-05 at 20:28 -0800, Ben Munat wrote:
> I use qmail, vpopmail, horde-imp, courier-imap, qmail-scanner, spamassassin, 
> clamav, 
> qmailadmin and vqadmin on my server. Yesterday, I updated courier-imap from 
> 3.0.8 to 4.0.1 
> and managed to render all my mail users unable to check their email. As a 
> caveat to anyone 
> who is using courier-imap and hasn't gotten around to the update, the courier 
> folks have 
> "unbundled" authdaemon into a separate package called courier-authlib. The 
> ebuild seems to 
> take care of all this correctly... I'm not sure what I screwed up.
> 
I had a problem with the update as well. It was my failure to stop the
courier daemons for the update. It was simple to resolve. I just had to
zap the services to a stopped state and start and things came back up as
normal.

I personally use courier-imap for pop3, pop3-ssl, imap and imap-ssl and
it works very well. Another poster pointed out the virtual mail guide on
go.org. I recommend having a look at that. However, there is no reason
to stop using qmail as an mta if you already have it configured to do
so. Unless of course it matters to you that qmail isn't open source
software http://www.qmail.org/not-open-source.html then you may want to
look into using an mta like postfix. Anyhow, I personally think
courier-imap works quite well. To answer your question, yes you will
need courier-imap if you want to retrieve mail from external mail
clients using pop3 or imap.

> Anyway, I entered a bug (http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=80879) and 
> have been 
> discussing what I may have done wrong and how to avoid any problems. (There 
> are some 
> specific instructions from Robin Johnson on how to safely do the upgrade.) 
> However, it has 
> been bothering me throughout this that I don't really know why I have 
> courier-imap. I've 
> never instructed any mail users to set up their clients to use imap and when 
> I just tried 
> to set up thunderbird to check one of my mail accounts via imap it fails. I 
> don't know 
> what package ever wanted it, but none of my current mail programs seems to 
> need it.
> 
> So, not wishing to start any imap vs. pop3 holy wars (though I will confess 
> that I was 
> very opposed to imap when I set up the server cuz my school's imap server was 
> painfully 
> slow... have heard that that's because they were using mbox instead of 
> maildir...), but I 
> was wondering if anyone uses qmail for smtp-ssl and pop3-ssl? Hmm, that's a 
> good point... 
> looking through the qmail docs, I don't see anything about ssl... maybe 
> *that's* why I 
> have courier-imap... for the ssl...
> 
I think the mbox versus maildir thing may have some relevance, but
probably had more to do with the server load than anything. If you
overload your servers, which schools tend to do and everything runs like
crap.

HTH,

Wendall

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