In looking at ETC funding sources I see that the HKH Foundation has been a major donor: http://www.etcgroup.org/sites/www.etcgroup.org/files/report/ETC%20Audited%20Financial%20Statements_2010%20copy.pdf
"The HKH Foundation is named for Harold K. Hochschild, who was for many years the executive head of the American Metal Company, which merged in 1957 and eventually became AMAX Inc." http://www.activistcash.com/foundation.cfm?did=125 "This company [American Metal Company] was co-founded by his father in 1887 and became a leading custom smelter and refiner of ores and scrap metal in the United States." http://iarchives.nysed.gov/xtf/view?docId=MS_64-4.xml;query=;brand=default#overview "In 1957, Climax Molybdenum Company merged with The American Metal Company (Limited) to form American Metal Climax, Inc.; the company was renamed “AMAX Inc.” in 1974. In 1993, AMAX merged with Cyprus Minerals Company to form Cyprus Amax Minerals Company. Following the acquisition of Cyprus Amax by Phelps Dodge in 1999, Climax Molybdenum became a subsidiary of Phelps Dodge Corporation. In 2007, following the acquisition of Phelps Dodge, Climax Molybdenum became a Freeport-McMoRan company. " http://www.climaxmolybdenum.com/aboutus/companyinformation/History.htm ----- One can therefore infer that a significant piece of ETC's very existence is derived from the extractive, profit-making exploitation of the earth (and the sky, considering the many Gts of fossils fuels that smelting in the 19th and 20th century required), the type of activity ETC so publicly condems. So I suggest that ETC cut the holier-than-thou, anti-technology bs and join the rest of us in objectively evaluating (rather than subjectively killing) options for saving the earth. Like or not, the urgency of the situation requires us to carefully consider social-, political-, and geo-engineering at a global scale, and to deploy those options that prove to be most cost effective and least impactful. Let's cut the posturing and collectively get to work in the short time we've got left to find out what our options are (if any). -Greg ________________________________ From: David Lewis <jrandomwin...@gmail.com>To: geoengineering@googlegroups.comCc: andrew.lock...@gmail.com; di...@etcgroup.org???; mooney@etcgroup.orgSent: Sun, November 18, 2012 2:27:54 AMSubject: Re: [geo] Mooney, Pat; et al. (2012): Darken the sky and whiten the earth A few more "revealing" "nuggets": ETC says it wants all reference to climate taken out of definitions of geoengineering, i.e. ""the laudable goal of combating climate change has no place in the definition of geoengineering, as it suggests that geoengineering technologies do, in fact, combat climate change". Their preferred definition? ETC placed their preferred definition in a separate box on page 216, highlighted in red: "ETC group defines geoengineering as the intentional, large-scale technological manipulation of the Earth’s systems,including systems related to climate". I swear, I didn't make this up. Some practices likely to have global impact if implemented broadly are given a free ETC pass: ""changing consumption patterns or adopting agroecological practices" "do not qualify" as geoengineering, "although either could have a noticeable impact on the climate". This is because, according to ETC: "Geoengineering is a high-technology approach". Fortunately, ETC is here, ready to explain to us what is high technology, and what is not. Given ETC hostility to the 120 tonnes of fertilizer dumped by the Haida off the back of a boat into the Pacific ocean recently, there can be no doubt: that was high technology. Some solutions are too evil to contemplate. In a section entitled "The Lomborg Manoeuvre...." ETC laments: "if we have the means to suck up greenhouse gases... emitters can, in principle, continue unabated", which, obviously, no one should want, even if a way to do this was found that was economic. Removing CO2 from the atmosphere is an "end-of-pipe" solution. ETC quotes Vanadan Shiva and Simon Terry in a paragraph condemning the "Western, male-dominated, technological paradigm" which seeks to "solve the problems" with some "same old mind-set of controlling nature". Without this ETC publication to guide me, I wouldn't have known that a solution isn't good enough unless it is conceived by the right people with the right mind-set. On Friday, November 16, 2012 8:35:59 PM UTC-8, Greg Rau wrote: A more direct link here: >http://whatnext.org/resources/Publications/Volume-III/Single-articles/wnv3_etcgroup_144.pdf > > > >I thought these nuggets were especially revealing: >Why is geoengineering unacceptable? ................. >-Greg > > > ________________________________ From: Andrew Lockley <andrew....@gmail.com>To: geoengineering <geoengi...@googlegroups. com>Sent: Fri, November 16, 2012 5:51:27 PMSubject: [geo] Mooney, Pat; et al. (2012): Darken the sky and whiten the earth >Mooney, Pat; et al. (2012): >Darken the sky and whiten the earth >http://www.climate- engineering.eu/single/items/ mooney-pat-et-al-2012-darken- >the-sky-and-whiten-the-earth. html >Mooney, Pat; Wetter, Kathy Jo; Bronson, Diana (2012): >Darken the sky and whiten the earth. The dangers of geoengineering. In: What >Next Forum (Hg.): Climate, Development and Equity. Uppsala (What next?, 3), >pp. >210?237. 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