What about dams, fertilizer production, forestry, deep sea fishing? In fact the actual existence of industrialized humanity has precipitated the anthropocene, so from ETC's perspective the industrial revolution seems like a pretty bad idea.
Smash up the looms, luddites! I'm going to spear a fish for my supper, once I've finished sewing this reindeer skin tunic. Hang on a minute - didn't megafauna get wiped by the large scale hunting from early humans wielding spears? Best put that spear away, and go back to berries and grubs! A On 18 November 2012 22:25, Ken Caldeira <kcalde...@gmail.com> wrote: > Seems like the global agricultural system would fit ETC's definition of > geoengineering. > > ETC group defines geoengineering as the intentional, large-scale > technological manipulation of the Earth’s systems,* * > > > Under this definition, geoengineering is already a widely deployed and > broadly accepted practice. > > Ken Caldeira > kcalde...@carnegie.stanford.edu > +1 650 704 7212 > http://dge.stanford.edu/labs/caldeiralab > > Sent from a limited-typing keyboard > > On Nov 18, 2012, at 13:00, RAU greg <gh...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > In looking at ETC funding sources I see that the HKH Foundation has been a > major donor: > > http://www.etcgroup.org/sites/www.etcgroup.org/files/report/ETC%20Audited%20Financial%20Statements_2010%20copy.pdf > > "The HKH Foundation is named for Harold K. Hochschild, who was for many > years the executive head of the American Metal Company, which merged in > 1957 and eventually became AMAX Inc." > http://www.activistcash.com/foundation.cfm?did=125 > > "This company [American Metal Company] was co-founded by his father in > 1887 and became a leading custom smelter and refiner of ores and scrap > metal in the United States." > > http://iarchives.nysed.gov/xtf/view?docId=MS_64-4.xml;query=;brand=default#overview > > > "In 1957, Climax Molybdenum Company merged with The American Metal Company > (Limited) to form > American Metal Climax, Inc.; the company was renamed “AMAX Inc.” in 1974. > In 1993, AMAX merged with Cyprus Minerals Company to form Cyprus > Amax Minerals Company. > Following the acquisition of Cyprus Amax by Phelps Dodge in 1999, Climax > Molybdenum became a subsidiary of Phelps Dodge Corporation. In 2007, > following the acquisition of Phelps Dodge, Climax Molybdenum became a > Freeport-McMoRan company. " > http://www.climaxmolybdenum.com/aboutus/companyinformation/History.htm > > ----- > One can therefore infer that a significant piece of ETC's very existence > is derived from the extractive, profit-making exploitation of the earth > (and the sky, considering the many Gts of fossils fuels that smelting in > the 19th and 20th century required), the type of activity ETC so publicly > condems. > > So I suggest that ETC cut the holier-than-thou, anti-technology bs and > join the rest of us in objectively evaluating (rather than subjectively > killing) options for saving the earth. Like or not, the urgency of the > situation requires us to carefully consider social-, political-, and > geo-engineering at a global scale, and to deploy those options that prove > to be most cost effective and least impactful. Let's cut the posturing and > collectively get to work in the short time we've got left to find out what > our options are (if any). > > -Greg > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* David Lewis <jrandomwin...@gmail.com>*To:* > geoengineering@googlegroups.com*Cc:* andrew.lock...@gmail.com; > di...@etcgroup.org???; moo...@etcgroup.org*Sent:* Sun, November 18, 2012 > 2:27:54 AM*Subject:* Re: [geo] Mooney, Pat; et al. (2012): Darken the sky > and whiten the earth A few more "revealing" "nuggets": > > ETC says it wants all reference to climate taken out of definitions of > geoengineering, i.e. ""the laudable goal of combating climate change *has > no place* in the definition of geoengineering, as it suggests that > geoengineering technologies do, in fact, combat climate change". Their > preferred definition? ETC placed their preferred definition in a separate > box on page 216, highlighted in red: "ETC group defines geoengineering as > the intentional, large-scale technological manipulation of the Earth’s > systems,* including systems related to climate*". > > I swear, I didn't make this up. > > Some practices likely to have global impact if implemented broadly are > given a free ETC pass: ""changing consumption patterns or adopting > agroecological practices" "do not qualify" as geoengineering, "although > either could have a noticeable impact on the climate". This is because, > according to ETC: "Geoengineering is a high-technology approach". > Fortunately, ETC is here, ready to explain to us what is high technology, > and what is not. Given ETC hostility to the 120 tonnes of fertilizer > dumped by the Haida off the back of a boat into the Pacific ocean recently, > there can be no doubt: that was high technology. > > Some solutions are too evil to contemplate. In a section entitled "The > Lomborg Manoeuvre...." ETC laments: "if we have the means to suck up > greenhouse gases... emitters can, in principle, continue unabated", which, > obviously, no one should want, even if a way to do this was found that was > economic. Removing CO2 from the atmosphere is an "end-of-pipe" solution. > > ETC quotes Vanadan Shiva and Simon Terry in a paragraph condemning the > "Western, male-dominated, technological paradigm" which seeks to "solve the > problems" with some "same old mind-set of controlling nature". > > Without this ETC publication to guide me, I wouldn't have known that *a > solution isn't good enough* unless it is conceived by the right people > with the right mind-set. > > > > > On Friday, November 16, 2012 8:35:59 PM UTC-8, Greg Rau wrote: >> >> A more direct link here: >> >> http://whatnext.org/resources/Publications/Volume-III/Single-articles/wnv3_etcgroup_144.pdf >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "geoengineering" group. To post to this group, send email to geoengineering@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to geoengineering+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. 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