Another of goodchild's observations, as presented in this GeoWeb 2008 talk http://geowebconference.org/files/Michael%20Goodchild_Podcast_Small.mp4
...is that an important characteristic of neogeography (it's not JUST new geography) is that it breaks down the barrier between geo-expert and geo-novice. ______________________________________________ Michael Gould Dept. Information Systems (LSI) Universitat Jaume I, 12071 Castellón, Spain. email: gould (at) lsi.uji.es www.geoinfo.uji.es -----Mensaje original----- De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] En nombre de [EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado el: lunes, 13 de octubre de 2008 3:58 Para: [email protected] Asunto: Geowanking Digest, Vol 59, Issue 15 Send Geowanking mailing list submissions to [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.burri.to/mailman/listinfo/geowanking or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Geowanking digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: beyond wanking (Eric Wolf) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 19:57:53 -0600 From: "Eric Wolf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Geowanking] beyond wanking To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" On the issue of names... I need to talk to Goodchild the next time I see him about his reasoning behind VGI... There is a valid argument against the term "neogeography" mainly from the perspective that it belittles Geography. As someone who is pursuing a PhD in Geography mostly as a geowanker in a department filled with brilliant human and physical geographers, I understand wholly how "neogeography" undervalues their efforts. My friend and classmate who is studying how varieties of rice relate to perceptions of "good people" in China is not at all concerned with what's happening on the Internet in terms of end-users producing GISystems and creating data. Neither is my other friend and classmate who is attempting to model moulins in Greenland to better understand how the ice sheet is melting. These two people are Geographers. I am a Geographer as well - but what I do is most related to the "neogeographers". Geowanking is, in my mind, a much better term because it doesn't devalue the efforts of my friends. Wank on! -Eric On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 6:30 AM, michael gould <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Just for the record I was not advocating a change in the gw name; was just > commenting on goodchild's attempt to find a serious name (VGI) for certain > research activity. > > In my opinion gw is just a fun name, and is appropriate to this informal > forum. > > > ______________________________________________ > Michael Gould > Dept. Information Systems (LSI) > Universitat Jaume I, 12071 Castell?n, Spain. > email: gould (at) lsi.uji.es > www.geoinfo.uji.es > ************** > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:01:18 +0100 > From: "Andrew Turner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Geowanking] Beyond wanking > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Dan Brickley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I wonder whether it is time to take a fresh look at the name of this > > very forum. > > > > If we want the boring/serious/grownup GIS world to take more notice of > > the kinds of things that are discussed around here, having a mailing > > list with a different name would help. > > > > No, the name of this forum is inline with its goals. To be an open, and > semi-tongue-in-cheek venue for people to be free and air crazy ideas. > Geowanking is not meant to be for serious discussions or to get published > as > a forum in the NYT. > > There are other, better forums for that - and more importantly are focused > on more specific topics. I feel that serious, cross-pollinating discussions > should happen there. It is up to any of us to participate in those > communities, and if members of those groups want to "play in the dirt" then > they can join Geowankers. > > I say this having done just that - I am now on a number of Geography lists, > OGC meetings, and other "professional" and serious venues and attempt to > keep the appropriate voice and injection of new concepts there as much as > we > can be open with our thoughts here. > > Cheers, > Andrew > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:07:55 -0600 > From: "Eric Wolf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Geowanking] Beyond wanking > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > We need a geowanking just as much as we need a big, international FOSS4G > conference. Different ends of the spectrum... > And my boss lurks on the list... > > -Eric > > On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 9:01 AM, Andrew Turner > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > > On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Dan Brickley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > I wonder whether it is time to take a fresh look at the name of this > > > very forum. > > > > > > If we want the boring/serious/grownup GIS world to take more notice > > > of the kinds of things that are discussed around here, having a > > > mailing list with a different name would help. > > > > > > > No, the name of this forum is inline with its goals. To be an open, > > and semi-tongue-in-cheek venue for people to be free and air crazy > > ideas. Geowanking is not meant to be for serious discussions or to get > > published as a forum in the NYT. > > > > There are other, better forums for that - and more importantly are > > focused on more specific topics. I feel that serious, > > cross-pollinating discussions should happen there. It is up to any of > > us to participate in those communities, and if members of those groups > > want to "play in the dirt" then they can join Geowankers. > > > > I say this having done just that - I am now on a number of Geography > > lists, OGC meetings, and other "professional" and serious venues and > > attempt to keep the appropriate voice and injection of new concepts > > there as much as we can be open with our thoughts here. > > > > Cheers, > > Andrew > > _______________________________________________ > > Geowanking mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.burri.to/mailman/listinfo/geowanking > > > > > > -- > -=--=---=----=----=---=--=-=--=---=----=---=--=-=- > Eric B. Wolf 720-209-6818 > USGS Geographer > Center of Excellence in GIScience > PhD Student > CU-Boulder - Geography > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > http://lists.burri.to/pipermail/geowanking/attachments/20081010/86bac5dd/att > achment-0001.htm<http://lists.burri.to/pipermail/geowanking/attachments/2008 1010/86bac5dd/attachment-0001.htm> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:15:00 -0500 > From: "P Kishor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Geowanking] Beyond wanking > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > We need geowanking. If we need to suit it up and make it VC friendly, we > can > call it GeoWanking, Inc., or GeoWanking, Ph.D. to make the academia happy. > For those with class-aspirations, how about GeoWanking, Esq. > > Maybe iGeowanking for those of us who admire the bondi-blue iMacs. > Otherwise, let geowanking be. > > And, it is ok if there are a few who don't understand what wanking means. > For those who do, it serves as a source of a quite chuckle. > > And those who get their knickers in a knot over VGI can piss off as well. > It > is as good a term as geowanking is in all its expression and shortcomings > alike. > > > On 10/10/08, Dan Brickley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > michael gould wrote: > > > > > On the VGI term that most everyone here seems to hate > (not-invented-here?): > > > > > > (Professor) Goodchild tried to coin a term sufficiently serious and > > credible > for the academic world (where geowanking becomes something > > like "popular > prototyping of innovative geographic applications"!), > > while conveying the > basic notions behind neogeography and other > > similar "memes". He did not > intend for the term to overly focus on > > the data, just as I suppose > "neogeography" was not intended to > > overly focus on things that (only) > geographers do. > > > > > > Applying to both comments: we don't all need to become one > > homogeneous mass > and think and talk alike... ?viva la diversidad! > > > > Quite. > > > > Dear Geo Wankers, > > > > I wonder whether it is time to take a fresh look at the name of this > > very forum. > > > > To many English speakers, the word "wanking" is a reference to > > masturbation. Try explaining to your boss (some people still have > > bosses...) that you're spending your time with "geo"wankers that you > > met on the Internet. And if your boss isn't a native English speaker, > > try finding a dictionary that will help them understand what "wanking" > is. > > > > If we want the boring/serious/grownup GIS world to take more notice > > of the kinds of things that are discussed around here, having a > > mailing list with a different name would help. > > > > I understand that to some US-American ears, "wanking" has a less > > graphic, and less sexual reading. But still ... looking around in > > dictionary etc sites, the meaning is still pretty strong (see below). > > > > May I suggest that a move away from (geo)wanking might help this > > community erm... better cross-fertilise with others? > > > > cheers, > > > > Dan > > > > ps. this could be done by a bit of mail aliasing/sysadmin I hope, > > rather than mass resubscription to a new list > > > > > > http://www.thefreedictionary.com/wank > > [[ > > wank (wngk) Chiefly British Vulgar Slang tr. & intr.v. wanked, > > wank?ing, wanks To masturbate. Often used with off. > > n. > > 1. An act of masturbation. > > 2. A detestable person. > > ]] > > > > [[ > > Noun 1. wank - slang for masturbation > > hand job, jacking off, jerking off > > masturbation, onanism - manual stimulation of the genital organs (of > > yourself or another) for sexual pleasure jargon, lingo, patois, > > argot, vernacular, slang, cant - a characteristic language of a > > particular group (as among thieves); "they don't speak our lingo" > > Verb 1. wank - get sexual gratification through self-stimulation > > jack off, jerk off, she-bop, masturbate, fuck off masturbate - > > stimulate sexually; "The old man wanted to be masturbated by the > > prostitute" > > scarf - masturbate while strangling oneself excite, stir, stimulate > > - stir feelings in; "stimulate my appetite"; "excite the audience"; > > "stir emotions" > > Based on WordNet 3.0, Farlex clipart collection. (c) 2003-2008 > > Princeton University, Farlex Inc. > > ]] > > > > > > http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Wank%20(w%27ank%3B%20n% > > 2C%20adj.) > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wank > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Geowanking mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.burri.to/mailman/listinfo/geowanking > > > > > -- > Puneet Kishor http://punkish.eidesis.org/ Nelson Institute for > Environmental > Studies http://www.nelson.wisc.edu/ Open Source Geospatial Foundation > (OSGeo) http://www.osgeo.org/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 23:19:55 +0800 > From: Tim Bowden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Geowanking] Beyond wanking > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [email protected] > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > On Fri, 2008-10-10 at 10:15 -0500, P Kishor wrote: > > We need geowanking. If we need to suit it up and make it VC friendly, > > we can call it GeoWanking, Inc., or GeoWanking, Ph.D. to make the > > academia happy. For those with class-aspirations, how about > > GeoWanking, Esq. > > > > Maybe iGeowanking for those of us who admire the bondi-blue iMacs. > > Otherwise, let geowanking be. > > > > And, it is ok if there are a few who don't understand what wanking > > means. For those who do, it serves as a source of a quite chuckle. > > > > And those who get their knickers in a knot over VGI can piss off as > > well. It is as good a term as geowanking is in all its expression and > > shortcomings alike. > > > > Well said! Happy iGeowanking, Esq! > > Tim Bowden > > > > On 10/10/08, Dan Brickley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > michael gould wrote: > > > > > > > On the VGI term that most everyone here seems to hate > (not-invented-here?): > > > > > > > > (Professor) Goodchild tried to coin a term sufficiently serious and > credible > > > > for the academic world (where geowanking becomes something like > "popular > > > > prototyping of innovative geographic applications"!), while > conveying > the > > > > basic notions behind neogeography and other similar "memes". He did > not > > > > intend for the term to overly focus on the data, just as I suppose > > > > "neogeography" was not intended to overly focus on things that > (only) > > > > geographers do. > > > > > > > > Applying to both comments: we don't all need to become one > homogeneous mass > > > > and think and talk alike... ?viva la diversidad! > > > > > > Quite. > > > > > > Dear Geo Wankers, > > > > > > I wonder whether it is time to take a fresh look at the name of this > > > very forum. > > > > > > To many English speakers, the word "wanking" is a reference to > > > masturbation. Try explaining to your boss (some people still have > > > bosses...) that you're spending your time with "geo"wankers that you > met > > > on the Internet. And if your boss isn't a native English speaker, try > > > finding a dictionary that will help them understand what "wanking" is. > > > > > > If we want the boring/serious/grownup GIS world to take more notice of > > > the kinds of things that are discussed around here, having a mailing > > > list with a different name would help. > > > > > > I understand that to some US-American ears, "wanking" has a less > > > graphic, and less sexual reading. But still ... looking around in > > > dictionary etc sites, the meaning is still pretty strong (see below). > > > > > > May I suggest that a move away from (geo)wanking might help this > > > community erm... better cross-fertilise with others? > > > > > > cheers, > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > ps. this could be done by a bit of mail aliasing/sysadmin I hope, > rather > > > than mass resubscription to a new list > > > > > > > > > http://www.thefreedictionary.com/wank > > > [[ > > > wank (wngk) Chiefly British Vulgar Slang > > > tr. & intr.v. wanked, wank?ing, wanks > > > To masturbate. Often used with off. > > > n. > > > 1. An act of masturbation. > > > 2. A detestable person. > > > ]] > > > > > > [[ > > > Noun 1. wank - slang for masturbation > > > hand job, jacking off, jerking off > > > masturbation, onanism - manual stimulation of the genital organs (of > > > yourself or another) for sexual pleasure > > > jargon, lingo, patois, argot, vernacular, slang, cant - a > characteristic > > > language of a particular group (as among thieves); "they don't speak > our > > > lingo" > > > Verb 1. wank - get sexual gratification through > self-stimulation > > > jack off, jerk off, she-bop, masturbate, fuck off > > > masturbate - stimulate sexually; "The old man wanted to be masturbated > > > by the prostitute" > > > scarf - masturbate while strangling oneself > > > excite, stir, stimulate - stir feelings in; "stimulate my appetite"; > > > "excite the audience"; "stir emotions" > > > Based on WordNet 3.0, Farlex clipart collection. (c) 2003-2008 > Princeton > > > University, Farlex Inc. > > > ]] > > > > > > > > http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Wank%20(w%27ank%3B%20n%2C%20a > dj.) > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wank > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Geowanking mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://lists.burri.to/mailman/listinfo/geowanking > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Geowanking mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.burri.to/mailman/listinfo/geowanking > -- -=--=---=----=----=---=--=-=--=---=----=---=--=-=- Eric B. Wolf 720-209-6818 USGS Geographer Center of Excellence in GIScience PhD Student CU-Boulder - Geography -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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