To me VGI is less about the apps (whereas ng does seem to focus there) and
more about the nature of GI that is collected bottom-up instead of the
traditional top-down manner i.e. by state mapping agencies. This opens all
sorts of doors regarding sampling density, standardization, quality control,
power, control, officiality of data, update frequency (freshness), discovery
mechanisms, ontologies and folksonomies, sensor networks,....and the list
goes on. An example of the difference is comparing weather forecasts
produced by a central agency covering an entire country... based on a few
hundred met stations spread every x kilometres; and a future network of
millions of farm tractors in the fields, each porting GSP receivers and mini
weather stations. Want to know the weather near your house NOW? Ask the
tractor-net nodes near you, not the agency that updates every half hour at
low resolution.
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Michael Gould
Dept. Information Systems (LSI)
Universitat Jaume I, 12071 Castell?n, Spain.
email: gould (at) lsi.uji.es
www.geoinfo.uji.es
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 19:57:53 -0600
From: "Eric Wolf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Geowanking] beyond wanking
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On the issue of names...
I need to talk to Goodchild the next time I see him about his reasoning
behind VGI...
There is a valid argument against the term "neogeography" mainly from the
perspective that it belittles Geography. As someone who is pursuing a PhD in
Geography mostly as a geowanker in a department filled with brilliant human
and physical geographers, I understand wholly how "neogeography" undervalues
their efforts. My friend and classmate who is studying how varieties of rice
relate to perceptions of "good people" in China is not at all concerned with
what's happening on the Internet in terms of end-users producing GISystems
and creating data. Neither is my other friend and classmate who is
attempting to model moulins in Greenland to better understand how the ice
sheet is melting. These two people are Geographers. I am a Geographer as
well - but what I do is most related to the "neogeographers".
Geowanking is, in my mind, a much better term because it doesn't devalue the
efforts of my friends.
Wank on!
-Eric
On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 6:30 AM, michael gould <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Just for the record I was not advocating a change in the gw name; was just
commenting on goodchild's attempt to find a serious name (VGI) for certain
research activity.
In my opinion gw is just a fun name, and is appropriate to this informal
forum.
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Dept. Information Systems (LSI)
Universitat Jaume I, 12071 Castell?n, Spain.
email: gould (at) lsi.uji.es
www.geoinfo.uji.es
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:01:18 +0100
From: "Andrew Turner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Geowanking] Beyond wanking
To: [email protected]
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On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Dan Brickley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I wonder whether it is time to take a fresh look at the name of this
very forum.
If we want the boring/serious/grownup GIS world to take more notice of
the kinds of things that are discussed around here, having a mailing
list with a different name would help.
No, the name of this forum is inline with its goals. To be an open, and
semi-tongue-in-cheek venue for people to be free and air crazy ideas.
Geowanking is not meant to be for serious discussions or to get published
as
a forum in the NYT.
There are other, better forums for that - and more importantly are focused
on more specific topics. I feel that serious, cross-pollinating
discussions
should happen there. It is up to any of us to participate in those
communities, and if members of those groups want to "play in the dirt"
then
they can join Geowankers.
I say this having done just that - I am now on a number of Geography
lists,
OGC meetings, and other "professional" and serious venues and attempt to
keep the appropriate voice and injection of new concepts there as much as
we
can be open with our thoughts here.
Cheers,
Andrew
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:07:55 -0600
From: "Eric Wolf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Geowanking] Beyond wanking
To: [email protected]
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We need a geowanking just as much as we need a big, international FOSS4G
conference. Different ends of the spectrum...
And my boss lurks on the list...
-Eric
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 9:01 AM, Andrew Turner
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Dan Brickley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
I wonder whether it is time to take a fresh look at the name of this
very forum.
If we want the boring/serious/grownup GIS world to take more notice
of the kinds of things that are discussed around here, having a
mailing list with a different name would help.
No, the name of this forum is inline with its goals. To be an open,
and semi-tongue-in-cheek venue for people to be free and air crazy
ideas. Geowanking is not meant to be for serious discussions or to get
published as a forum in the NYT.
There are other, better forums for that - and more importantly are
focused on more specific topics. I feel that serious,
cross-pollinating discussions should happen there. It is up to any of
us to participate in those communities, and if members of those groups
want to "play in the dirt" then they can join Geowankers.
I say this having done just that - I am now on a number of Geography
lists, OGC meetings, and other "professional" and serious venues and
attempt to keep the appropriate voice and injection of new concepts
there as much as we can be open with our thoughts here.
Cheers,
Andrew
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:15:00 -0500
From: "P Kishor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Geowanking] Beyond wanking
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We need geowanking. If we need to suit it up and make it VC friendly, we
can
call it GeoWanking, Inc., or GeoWanking, Ph.D. to make the academia happy.
For those with class-aspirations, how about GeoWanking, Esq.
Maybe iGeowanking for those of us who admire the bondi-blue iMacs.
Otherwise, let geowanking be.
And, it is ok if there are a few who don't understand what wanking means.
For those who do, it serves as a source of a quite chuckle.
And those who get their knickers in a knot over VGI can piss off as well.
It
is as good a term as geowanking is in all its expression and shortcomings
alike.
On 10/10/08, Dan Brickley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
michael gould wrote:
> On the VGI term that most everyone here seems to hate
(not-invented-here?):
>
> (Professor) Goodchild tried to coin a term sufficiently serious and
credible > for the academic world (where geowanking becomes something
like "popular > prototyping of innovative geographic applications"!),
while conveying the > basic notions behind neogeography and other
similar "memes". He did not > intend for the term to overly focus on
the data, just as I suppose > "neogeography" was not intended to
overly focus on things that (only) > geographers do.
>
> Applying to both comments: we don't all need to become one
homogeneous mass > and think and talk alike... ?viva la diversidad!
Quite.
Dear Geo Wankers,
I wonder whether it is time to take a fresh look at the name of this
very forum.
To many English speakers, the word "wanking" is a reference to
masturbation. Try explaining to your boss (some people still have
bosses...) that you're spending your time with "geo"wankers that you
met on the Internet. And if your boss isn't a native English speaker,
try finding a dictionary that will help them understand what "wanking"
is.
If we want the boring/serious/grownup GIS world to take more notice
of the kinds of things that are discussed around here, having a
mailing list with a different name would help.
I understand that to some US-American ears, "wanking" has a less
graphic, and less sexual reading. But still ... looking around in
dictionary etc sites, the meaning is still pretty strong (see below).
May I suggest that a move away from (geo)wanking might help this
community erm... better cross-fertilise with others?
cheers,
Dan
ps. this could be done by a bit of mail aliasing/sysadmin I hope,
rather than mass resubscription to a new list
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/wank
[[
wank (wngk) Chiefly British Vulgar Slang tr. & intr.v. wanked,
wank?ing, wanks To masturbate. Often used with off.
n.
1. An act of masturbation.
2. A detestable person.
]]
[[
Noun 1. wank - slang for masturbation
hand job, jacking off, jerking off
masturbation, onanism - manual stimulation of the genital organs (of
yourself or another) for sexual pleasure jargon, lingo, patois,
argot, vernacular, slang, cant - a characteristic language of a
particular group (as among thieves); "they don't speak our lingo"
Verb 1. wank - get sexual gratification through
self-stimulation
jack off, jerk off, she-bop, masturbate, fuck off masturbate -
stimulate sexually; "The old man wanted to be masturbated by the
prostitute"
scarf - masturbate while strangling oneself excite, stir, stimulate
- stir feelings in; "stimulate my appetite"; "excite the audience";
"stir emotions"
Based on WordNet 3.0, Farlex clipart collection. (c) 2003-2008
Princeton University, Farlex Inc.
]]
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Wank%20(w%27ank%3B%20n%
2C%20adj.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wank
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 23:19:55 +0800
From: Tim Bowden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Geowanking] Beyond wanking
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [email protected]
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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On Fri, 2008-10-10 at 10:15 -0500, P Kishor wrote:
We need geowanking. If we need to suit it up and make it VC friendly,
we can call it GeoWanking, Inc., or GeoWanking, Ph.D. to make the
academia happy. For those with class-aspirations, how about
GeoWanking, Esq.
Maybe iGeowanking for those of us who admire the bondi-blue iMacs.
Otherwise, let geowanking be.
And, it is ok if there are a few who don't understand what wanking
means. For those who do, it serves as a source of a quite chuckle.
And those who get their knickers in a knot over VGI can piss off as
well. It is as good a term as geowanking is in all its expression and
shortcomings alike.
Well said! Happy iGeowanking, Esq!
Tim Bowden
On 10/10/08, Dan Brickley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
michael gould wrote:
> On the VGI term that most everyone here seems to hate
(not-invented-here?):
>
> (Professor) Goodchild tried to coin a term sufficiently serious and
credible
> for the academic world (where geowanking becomes something like
"popular
> prototyping of innovative geographic applications"!), while
conveying
the
> basic notions behind neogeography and other similar "memes". He did
not
> intend for the term to overly focus on the data, just as I suppose
> "neogeography" was not intended to overly focus on things that
(only)
> geographers do.
>
> Applying to both comments: we don't all need to become one
homogeneous mass
> and think and talk alike... ?viva la diversidad!
Quite.
Dear Geo Wankers,
I wonder whether it is time to take a fresh look at the name of this
very forum.
To many English speakers, the word "wanking" is a reference to
masturbation. Try explaining to your boss (some people still have
bosses...) that you're spending your time with "geo"wankers that you
met
on the Internet. And if your boss isn't a native English speaker, try
finding a dictionary that will help them understand what "wanking"
is.
If we want the boring/serious/grownup GIS world to take more notice
of
the kinds of things that are discussed around here, having a mailing
list with a different name would help.
I understand that to some US-American ears, "wanking" has a less
graphic, and less sexual reading. But still ... looking around in
dictionary etc sites, the meaning is still pretty strong (see below).
May I suggest that a move away from (geo)wanking might help this
community erm... better cross-fertilise with others?
cheers,
Dan
ps. this could be done by a bit of mail aliasing/sysadmin I hope,
rather
than mass resubscription to a new list
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/wank
[[
wank (wngk) Chiefly British Vulgar Slang
tr. & intr.v. wanked, wank?ing, wanks
To masturbate. Often used with off.
n.
1. An act of masturbation.
2. A detestable person.
]]
[[
Noun 1. wank - slang for masturbation
hand job, jacking off, jerking off
masturbation, onanism - manual stimulation of the genital organs (of
yourself or another) for sexual pleasure
jargon, lingo, patois, argot, vernacular, slang, cant - a
characteristic
language of a particular group (as among thieves); "they don't speak
our
lingo"
Verb 1. wank - get sexual gratification through
self-stimulation
jack off, jerk off, she-bop, masturbate, fuck off
masturbate - stimulate sexually; "The old man wanted to be
masturbated
by the prostitute"
scarf - masturbate while strangling oneself
excite, stir, stimulate - stir feelings in; "stimulate my appetite";
"excite the audience"; "stir emotions"
Based on WordNet 3.0, Farlex clipart collection. (c) 2003-2008
Princeton
University, Farlex Inc.
]]
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Wank%20(w%27ank%3B%20n%2C%20a
dj.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wank
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